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This is really helpful information! I'm new to this community but definitely not new to tax procrastination unfortunately. I'm one of those people who somehow let 2024 slip by without filing, and now I'm scrambling with this shutdown deadline looming. I have a question about timing that I haven't seen addressed yet - if I do manage to get my return prepared and e-filed through a tax professional before Thursday's shutdown, how long should I expect to wait for processing? Is there any advantage to filing right before the shutdown versus filing early in a normal year, or does it all just sit in the same queue? Also, I'm seeing some conflicting information online about whether certain tax software companies have already shut down their e-filing for individual returns. Does anyone have a current list of which services are still accepting e-filed returns this week versus which ones have already closed for the year? The penalty information shared by the tax professionals here is definitely motivating me to stop dragging my feet. Better late than never, but also better this week than in January if I can manage it!
Welcome to the community! Great question about timing - if you manage to e-file before Thursday's shutdown, your return will actually process pretty normally. The IRS continues processing e-filed returns that were submitted before the shutdown, so you'd likely see your refund or confirmation within the usual 1-3 weeks rather than having to wait until January. Regarding software availability, you're right that it's a mixed bag right now. From what I've seen, most of the major DIY platforms like TurboTax, H&R Block online, and FreeTaxUSA have already closed their e-filing for individual returns as mentioned in the original post. However, tax professionals using commercial software like Drake, Lacerte, or ProSeries can typically e-file right up until the IRS system shutdown on Thursday. So if you want to e-file this week, your best bet is definitely going through a tax professional rather than trying to do it yourself online. The window is really narrow now, but if you can get an appointment in the next couple of days, you'll avoid both the paper filing delays and the January rush when everyone's trying to file at once. Good luck getting it sorted out before the deadline!
This is such a great breakdown of the shutdown timeline! I had no idea the e-filing system would be down for almost two months. I'm definitely one of those people who's been putting off my 2024 return, and this post is the wake-up call I needed. I'm in a situation where I moved states mid-year and changed jobs, so my tax situation is more complicated than usual. Based on what everyone's saying about the rush before shutdown, I'm thinking my best bet might be to get everything organized this week but wait for January to file with a professional when they're less rushed and can give my complex situation proper attention. One thing I'm curious about - for those who have been through this shutdown period before, does the IRS typically stick to their projected reopening timeline, or do they sometimes extend the maintenance period? I'm trying to plan when to expect my refund if I wait until January to file. Thanks for all the detailed advice from the tax professionals here - this community is incredibly helpful for navigating these timing issues!
Welcome to the community! Your approach sounds really smart given your complex situation with the state move and job change. Those multi-state returns can be tricky, and you're absolutely right that waiting for January when tax pros have more time to focus on the details is probably the better choice. Regarding the IRS timeline, they're usually pretty reliable about sticking to their reopening schedule. In my experience following this community over the past few years, they typically announce the exact opening date in early January and stick to it. Last year they reopened on January 23rd as projected. The IRS is generally better at meeting their technology deadlines than they used to be, especially after all the criticism they got for delays in previous years. One tip for your multi-state situation - start gathering your documents now and maybe even reach out to a few tax preparers to get on their January schedule. With a job change and state move, you'll want someone who's experienced with those situations, and the good ones book up fast once W-2s start arriving in mailboxes. Having everything organized ahead of time will make the process much smoother when filing season officially opens!
Has anyone dealt with donating to fundraising events where they auction off "free pizza for a year" certificates or something similar? Is that still deductible as a food donation or is it handled differently?
That's actually a different category - it would be considered a marketing expense rather than a charitable donation in most cases. Since you're essentially providing a gift certificate/voucher for future food (not actual prepared food), it's treated differently for tax purposes.
Great question! I run a bakery and went through the same learning curve with food donations. One thing that really helped me was setting up a simple system to track everything from day one rather than trying to reconstruct it at tax time. I keep a small notebook by our register where we quickly jot down any donations - date, what we donated, to whom, and our rough cost basis. Then once a week I transfer it to a spreadsheet with the proper calculations. A few practical tips: For schools, I always ask for their tax-exempt number upfront and keep a list of the local qualified organizations we regularly donate to. Also, don't forget about labor costs in your cost basis calculation - if you're making pizzas specifically to donate, include a reasonable amount for the time spent preparing them. The enhanced deduction really does add up over the year, especially if you're donating weekly like it sounds. Just make sure you're being conservative with your fair market value estimates and keeping good records. The community goodwill alone makes it worthwhile, but the tax benefit is a nice bonus!
This is really helpful! I'm just starting to get more organized with tracking donations. Quick question about the labor costs - when you include labor in your cost basis, how do you calculate a "reasonable amount"? Do you use your actual hourly wage costs for kitchen staff, or is there a simpler way to estimate it? I want to make sure I'm not over-inflating the numbers but also don't want to leave money on the table.
I went through something very similar last year! Lost about $11k on crude oil futures while having $9k in gains from some Microsoft shares I'd held for 18 months. The good news is yes, your Section 1256 contract losses will definitely offset your stock gains. What really helped me understand this was learning that the IRS treats Section 1256 contracts completely separately from regular securities for tax purposes. Your $13k futures loss gets the special 60/40 treatment (60% long-term, 40% short-term) regardless of how long you held the contracts, and then it flows to Schedule D where it offsets your other capital gains. One thing that caught me off guard was how the broker reporting worked. Make sure you get your 1099-B from your futures broker - it should clearly show the Section 1256 treatment. My regular stock broker's 1099-B looked completely different from my futures broker's 1099-B, but both fed into the same Schedule D on my tax return. The silver lining is that this experience taught me a lot about tax-efficient trading strategies. Now I'm much more careful about position sizing in futures, but at least the tax code doesn't penalize you for learning expensive lessons!
This is really reassuring to hear from someone who went through the same situation! I was worried there might be some catch or complication I wasn't seeing, but it sounds like the process is pretty straightforward once you understand how Section 1256 contracts work. I'm definitely getting separate 1099-B forms from my futures broker (Interactive Brokers) and my stock broker (Fidelity), so good to know they'll look different but both feed into Schedule D. You're absolutely right about this being an expensive lesson in position sizing! I got way too aggressive with futures thinking I could make up for slower stock gains, but clearly didn't respect how quickly those contracts can move against you. At least Uncle Sam is helping soften the blow by letting these losses offset my gains. Thanks for sharing your experience - it's helpful to know others have navigated this successfully!
I've been following this thread closely since I'm in a very similar situation - made some decent gains on dividend stocks this year but took a beating on corn futures (lesson learned about commodity volatility!). One thing I wanted to add that hasn't been mentioned is the importance of keeping detailed records of your futures trading, especially if you made multiple trades. The mark-to-market treatment means every single futures position gets treated as closed on December 31st for tax purposes, even if you're still holding it. This can create a lot of phantom transactions on your tax forms. I learned this the hard way last year when my 1099-B from my futures broker had pages and pages of what looked like trades I never made - but they were just the mark-to-market adjustments. Make sure you save all your account statements and trade confirmations because sometimes the 1099-B doesn't tell the whole story, especially if you transferred positions between tax years. Also, if you're using tax software, double-check that it's correctly importing the Section 1256 data. Some of the basic versions don't handle Form 6781 properly and might not apply the 60/40 split correctly. TurboTax Premier worked fine for me, but the basic version was missing some features for investment trading.
This is such valuable advice about record keeping! I'm definitely going to make sure I have all my account statements organized before tax time. The mark-to-market treatment creating "phantom transactions" sounds like it could be really confusing if you're not expecting it. I'm using Interactive Brokers for my futures trading and Fidelity for stocks, so I'll be getting 1099-Bs from both. Good point about making sure the tax software can handle Form 6781 properly - I was planning to use the basic version of TurboTax but sounds like I should spring for the Premier version to make sure it handles the Section 1256 contracts correctly. One question - when you mention transferring positions between tax years, does that mean if I have open futures positions on December 31st that I keep into next year, there could be additional complications with how those get reported?
Yes, transferring positions between tax years can create some additional reporting complexity! Here's what happens: if you have an open futures position on December 31st, it gets marked-to-market as if you closed it at the settlement price that day. Then on January 1st, it's treated as if you opened a brand new position at that same price. So let's say you bought a crude oil futures contract in November for $70 and it's trading at $65 on December 31st. For tax purposes, you'll report a $5 loss per barrel on this year's taxes even though you're still holding the contract. Then when you actually close the position next year (say at $68), you'll only report a $3 gain per barrel on next year's taxes (the difference between the $65 "reopening" price and the $68 closing price). This is why your 1099-B can look so confusing - it shows these mark-to-market adjustments as separate line items. Interactive Brokers is pretty good about clearly labeling these as "MTM adjustments" on their tax documents, which helps distinguish them from your actual trades. Just make sure when you're entering data into tax software that you're capturing both your actual trades AND the mark-to-market adjustments - they're both necessary for accurate reporting.
My tax attorney suggested a completely different approach that might be worth considering. Instead of using an LLC or trust, he recommended my father do a "qualified personal residence trust" (QPRT) for exactly this scenario. Basically, my dad put the house in a QPRT for a fixed term (3 years in our case), during which he retained the right to live in it or rent it out. After the term expired, ownership automatically transferred to us kids, but the gift value for tax purposes was significantly discounted because of the retained interest.
QPRTs are designed for primary residences though, not rental properties. Your scenario might be different from OP's situation where the father is specifically buying it as a rental property first.
You're absolutely right - I missed that detail. QPRTs are specifically for personal residences, not investment properties. For rental/investment properties, there are other options like a Grantor Retained Annuity Trust (GRAT) that operate on similar principles but are designed for income-producing assets. With a GRAT, the parent can transfer the property while retaining the right to receive an annuity payment for a set period. After that period ends, the property passes to the beneficiaries. The benefit is that the gift's value for tax purposes is reduced by the value of the retained annuity interest. This would only make sense if the property value is expected to appreciate significantly over the next couple years though.
Another consideration that might impact your decision is depreciation recapture. Since your father will be renting the property for 1-2 years before transferring it, he'll likely claim depreciation deductions on his tax returns during that period. When the property is eventually sold (regardless of whether it's held in an LLC or trust), any depreciation your father claimed will need to be "recaptured" and taxed at up to 25%. This applies to the entire depreciation amount he claimed, not just your portion. If your brothers plan to live in the house as their primary residence for at least 2 years before any sale, they might be able to exclude some of this recapture on their portions through the primary residence exclusion, but this gets complicated with mixed-use properties. You'll want to discuss with your attorney whether it makes sense for your father to forgo depreciation deductions during the rental period to avoid this issue, or if the current tax benefits outweigh the future recapture. This consideration applies regardless of the ownership structure you choose.
This is such an important point that often gets overlooked! The depreciation recapture issue could really impact the overall tax strategy. I'm wondering - if my dad chooses not to claim depreciation during the rental period to avoid recapture later, would that actually be allowed by the IRS? I've heard that you're required to take depreciation on rental properties whether you claim it or not, and they'll still hit you with recapture based on the "allowable" depreciation even if you didn't actually take it. Is that true? This could really change which structure makes the most sense for our family.
Sergio Neal
Your total tax bill seems in line with what I experienced when I was fully self-employed. The breakdown was roughly: - Regular income tax: ~22% effective rate - Self-employment tax: ~15.3% (Social Security + Medicare) That puts you right around 37% total, but deductions usually bring it down to 30-33%. It sucks, but it's the reality of self-employment. One thing that helped me was switching to making monthly tax payments instead of quarterly. Psychologically it felt better to pay $5-6k monthly than to get hit with $16-18k quarterly bills.
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Savanna Franklin
ā¢Can you really make monthly payments instead of quarterly? I thought the IRS only accepted quarterly estimated payments on specific dates?
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Diego Ramirez
I feel your pain! I'm also a self-employed photographer and went through the exact same shock last year. That 30% tax rate is unfortunately very normal for our income level. What helped me was realizing that employees making the same amount effectively pay similar rates - they just don't see it because their employer covers half the Social Security/Medicare taxes and withholds everything from their paychecks. We get hit with the full reality all at once. A few things that made it easier for me: - Opened a separate "tax savings" account and automatically transfer 35% of every payment I receive - Started making estimated payments monthly instead of quarterly (you can send them anytime, not just on the due dates) - Maxed out my SEP-IRA contribution which reduced my taxable income by $69,000 last year The retirement account contributions alone saved me about $20k in taxes. If you haven't set one up yet, you have until your tax filing deadline (including extensions) to contribute for 2024. It's still a lot of money, but at least now I budget for it properly instead of getting blindsided every year.
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Diego Rojas
ā¢This is really helpful, especially the part about the SEP-IRA! I had no idea you could contribute that much and get such significant tax savings. Quick question - when you say you transfer 35% of every payment to your tax savings account, do you do that on gross income or after business expenses? I'm trying to figure out the right percentage to set aside from each client payment.
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