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Donna Cline

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Has anybody just given up and hired an accountant who specializes in crypto? I'm looking at my Coinbase Pro CSV with hundreds of transactions and I'm about ready to throw in the towel lol. How much do crypto tax specialists typically charge for this kind of headache?

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I hired one last year when I had similar issues. Cost me about $400 for around 200 transactions across 3 exchanges including Coinbase Pro. Worth every penny because I was doing it wrong for years before that. She found some losses I hadn't properly claimed too.

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Donna Cline

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That's actually not as expensive as I expected! I was thinking it would be like $1000+. Did you just search for "crypto tax accountant" or something similar? I'm wondering how to find someone who really knows their stuff with these Coinbase reports.

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I totally understand the frustration with Coinbase Pro CSV files - they're definitely not user-friendly for tax purposes! One thing that helped me was creating my own simplified spreadsheet where I broke down each transaction into just the basics: date, type (buy/sell), crypto amount, USD value, and fees. For the columns in the CSV, focus on these key ones: - "created_at" = transaction date - "side" = buy or sell - "size" = amount of crypto - "price" = price per unit - "fee" = trading fee - "product_id" = which crypto pair (like BTC-USD) The most important thing to remember is that every sale or crypto-to-crypto trade is a taxable event. Transfers to your own wallets are not taxable. Also, make sure to include fees in your cost basis calculations - they increase your basis when buying and reduce proceeds when selling. If you have a lot of transactions, honestly the crypto tax software options mentioned here are worth it. But if you want to do it manually, just take it one transaction at a time and don't try to tackle everything at once. Good luck!

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Lim Wong

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This is super helpful, thanks for breaking down the key columns! I'm new to crypto trading and just downloaded my first Coinbase Pro CSV after doing some Bitcoin trades last month. Your simplified spreadsheet approach sounds way less overwhelming than trying to make sense of all the columns at once. One quick question - when you say include fees in cost basis, do you mean I add the fee to what I paid when I bought Bitcoin? So if I bought $1000 of BTC and paid a $5 fee, my cost basis would be $1005?

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A little off topic but this might save your dad some headache - if he does end up as an independent contractor, make sure he sets aside 25-30% of EVERY check for taxes. I got destroyed my first year as an "independent contractor" because nobody told me about quarterly estimated tax payments and self-employment tax. Ended up owing over $18,000 at tax time with penalties.

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That's great advice. Also track EVERYTHING. Every receipt, every mile, every expense. I use an app called Stride that tracks mileage automatically and categorizes business expenses. Saved me about $4,700 in deductions last year.

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Thanks for the app recommendation! I've been using a paper logbook like a caveman. And you're absolutely right about tracking everything - I even deduct a percentage of my phone bill since I use it for work calls and routing. The key is being able to prove business purpose if audited.

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JaylinCharles

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Former tax preparer here who specialized in transportation industry. Your father is absolutely being pushed into misclassification, and this is incredibly common right now. A few critical points to add to the excellent advice already given: 1. The LLC formation requirement is a HUGE red flag. Legitimate independent contractors typically already have their own business entity - they're not told to form one by the "client." This suggests the company knows they're converting employees. 2. Nevada LLC formation is correct, but he should also check if he needs to register as a foreign LLC in Colorado since that's where the company operates. Some states require this. 3. The insurance question is absolutely crucial. If they're providing the truck and insurance but calling him a contractor, that's textbook misclassification. True independent contractors own their equipment and carry their own commercial insurance (which runs $8,000-15,000+ annually). 4. He should document EVERYTHING about his current working relationship before they make the switch - schedules, routes assigned, equipment provided, training received, etc. This evidence will be critical if he needs to challenge the classification later. 5. Consider filing Form SS-8 with the IRS BEFORE agreeing to anything. This requests an official determination of worker status and can protect him from penalties if the IRS later determines he was misclassified. The company is trying to save money at his expense. Don't let them.

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Tami Morgan

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Quick word of caution - make sure your CPA knows that you're planning to use K-1 losses to offset capital gains. I did this last year and my accountant didn't optimize the timing properly. We could have saved about $5,400 in taxes if we'd sold certain investments in the same year as our largest business losses. Everyone's focused on the "can you do it" question, but the "when to do it" question is just as important for tax planning.

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Lilah Brooks

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That's a really good point about timing! I was actually thinking about this too. Since we know the business will show losses this year, it seems like the smart move is to sell the appreciated stocks now rather than waiting until next year when we might (hopefully) be profitable again. That way the losses and gains happen in the same tax year.

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Eli Butler

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Just wanted to add something that might be relevant to your situation - make sure you consider state tax implications too. While federal rules generally allow K-1 losses to offset capital gains, some states have different rules or limitations. Also, since you mentioned this is a family business with your wife, if you're filing jointly, the loss limitations and basis calculations apply at the household level, which usually works in your favor. But if either of you has other passive investments or rental properties, those could complicate how the losses flow through. One more thing - if you do decide to sell those stocks this year, consider whether you want to sell all $27k worth at once or spread some into next year depending on your expected income. Sometimes it makes sense to manage which tax brackets you're hitting, especially if the business losses push you into a lower bracket this year.

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This is really helpful advice about state taxes - I hadn't even thought about that! We're in California, so I should probably check if they have any weird rules about K-1 losses. The point about spreading the stock sales across tax years is interesting too. Since our business losses are putting us in a lower bracket this year, would it make sense to realize more gains now while we're in that lower bracket, or does it not matter much for long-term capital gains rates? I'm not super familiar with how the brackets work for capital gains vs regular income. Also, you mentioned rental properties - we don't have any, but my wife does have a small side consulting business (also on a K-1). Would losses from both businesses be able to offset the stock gains, or are there limits on combining multiple K-1 losses?

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I just called my ProSeries rep about this exact issue. They said it's a known limitation in their software validation rules and they're working on fixing it for next year. The workaround they suggested was to paper file this year, but they gave me a specific diagnostic code to note in my files so I can follow up with them once they have the fix. Might be worth calling your software support to see if they have any solutions brewing.

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Sophia Long

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Did they give any indication if this is something that affects all tax software or just ProSeries specifically? I've been using Drake and wondering if I should switch for my farm clients.

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Zara Mirza

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From what I've experienced, this seems to be a widespread issue across multiple software platforms, not just ProSeries. I use TaxSlayer Pro for most of my farm clients and ran into the same Farm Optional Method/EITC e-filing rejection this year. A colleague who uses UltraTax CS mentioned having similar problems too. The issue appears to be in how the software validates the relationship between negative farm income on Schedule F and the positive earned income created by the Farm Optional Method for EITC purposes. Most tax software programs have validation rules that flag this as inconsistent, even though it's perfectly legitimate according to IRS guidelines. Drake might handle it differently since they tend to have more flexible validation rules, but I'd recommend testing it with a dummy return first if you're considering switching. You could also try reaching out to Drake support to ask specifically about their Farm Optional Method validation before making any software changes.

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I've been dealing with this exact same issue across multiple client returns this year. What I've found helpful is creating a detailed client letter explaining the delay and the legitimacy of the Farm Optional Method for EITC purposes. I include references to the specific IRS publications mentioned earlier (225 and 596) and explain that this is a software limitation, not a tax law issue. For managing client expectations, I've started quoting 8-10 weeks for paper filing processing times instead of the usual 6-8 weeks, since the IRS seems to be running behind on manual processing. I also make sure to explain that their refund amount is correct and won't be reduced - it's just the delivery method causing the delay. One thing that's helped reduce my stress about these returns is keeping detailed documentation of the Farm Optional Method calculation and the EITC eligibility reasoning in the client file. If the IRS does question it later, having that paper trail makes any correspondence much easier to handle.

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That's a really smart approach with the client letter! I'm definitely going to steal that idea. I've been getting so many frustrated calls from clients asking why their returns are taking so long, and having a professional explanation document would help a lot. Do you happen to have a template you'd be willing to share? I'm particularly interested in how you word the technical explanation without making it sound scary or like there's actually a problem with their return. My farm clients tend to get nervous when they hear "paper filing" because they think it means the IRS is going to scrutinize everything more carefully. Also, the 8-10 week timeline sounds about right based on what I've been seeing. I had one Farm Optional Method return that I paper filed in early February and it just got processed last week. The client was patient thankfully, but it's definitely longer than the normal paper processing times.

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Former DOR employee here. One thing to clarify - "net income" definitions vary slightly between states. Most want Line 21 from 1120S, but some states (like CA and NY) have their own calculation that starts with Line 21 and adds back certain items. Call your specific DOR office and ask exactly which line they use for "net income" on THEIR form. Will save you tons of headache.

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This is super helpful! Do you know what Illinois specifically requires? Their form just says "net income" without specifying.

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Illinois generally uses Line 21 as the starting point, but they typically require you to add back any Illinois-specific adjustments from Schedule M (if you had to file one). If you didn't have any Illinois adjustments, then Line 21 should be sufficient. When in doubt though, I always recommend calling the Illinois DOR payment plan department directly at their specific number (not the general helpline) which should be listed on the payment plan form. Ask for the "technical definition of net income for payment plan qualification purposes" - using that specific phrasing will usually get you transferred to someone who knows exactly what line they're looking for.

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Isaac Wright

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Just went through this exact situation last month! The confusion is totally understandable because different agencies sometimes use "net income" differently. For most state DOR payment plans, you'll want Line 21 (ordinary business income/loss) from your Form 1120S - this shows your actual business profit after all deductible expenses. However, I'd strongly recommend calling your specific state's DOR payment plan department to confirm. Some states have their own modifications to this number. When I called, they told me exactly which line to use and even emailed me a worksheet showing the calculation. It's worth the phone call to avoid having your payment plan delayed or rejected for using the wrong figure. Also, make sure you have your most recent filed return - sounds like that would be your 2023 Form 1120S in your case. Good luck getting it sorted out!

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StarSailor

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This is exactly the kind of practical advice that would have saved me hours of stress! I wish I had thought to call and ask for the specific worksheet you mentioned. One question though - when you called, did you get through to someone knowledgeable right away, or did you have to navigate through multiple transfers? I'm dreading having to spend half my day on hold just to get this one question answered, but it sounds like it's definitely worth doing to get it right the first time.

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