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Dylan Evans

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I'm wondering if there are any special considerations for recent immigrants when updating information with the IRS? I've heard that some notifications are really important not to miss, especially if you're still establishing your status. Does anyone know if there's a way to set up email notifications instead of just relying on physical mail?

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As someone who's been through this process multiple times, I'd recommend starting with Form 8822 right away since you mentioned you recently moved. The 4-6 week processing time is pretty standard, but don't wait - mail forwarding with USPS typically only lasts 12 months for first-class mail, and some IRS correspondence may not be forwardable. For your bank account updates, you're right that this is separate from address changes. If you're expecting a refund this year, you can still update your direct deposit info through the "Where's My Refund" tool on irs.gov, but only if your return is still being processed. One thing I learned the hard way: keep copies of everything you submit to the IRS, including the certified mail receipt if you choose to send Form 8822 via certified mail. This gives you proof of when you submitted the change request, which can be helpful if there are any delays or issues later. Since you mentioned being newer to the US system, don't hesitate to call the IRS line at 800-829-1040 about a week after mailing your form to confirm they received it. The wait times can be long, but it's worth it for peace of mind!

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This is really comprehensive advice, thank you! I'm curious about the certified mail option you mentioned - is that necessary, or would regular mail work fine for Form 8822? I'm trying to balance cost with making sure it gets there safely. Also, when you say "keep copies of everything," do you mean I should make photocopies before mailing, or is there some other documentation I should be maintaining?

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IRS Transcript Updated: Code 767 Removed $8,095 Credit, 290 Additional Tax Assessment $0, 971 Notice Being Issued - What's Happening With My $5,595 Refund?

My transcript finally updated after 2 months of nothing. I'm seeing some weird activity on my account and I'm really worried about my refund. I filed Head of Household with 2 exemptions. My AGI was $14,434.00 with taxable income of $0.00 and tax per return of $0.00. Return was received April 15, 2024 with processing date May 06, 2024. Here's what's showing up in my transcript: ACCOUNT BALANCE: -$6,595.00 ACCRUED INTEREST: $0.00 AS OF: Dec. 17, 2024 ACCRUED PENALTY: $0.00 AS OF: Dec. 17, 2024 ACCOUNT BALANCE PLUS ACCRUALS: -$6,595.00 TRANSACTIONS CODE EXPLANATION OF TRANSACTION - CYCLE - DATE - AMOUNT 150 Tax return filed - 20241605 - 05-06-2024 - $0.00 810 Refund freeze - 02-09-2024 - $0.00 766 Credit to your account - 04-16-2024 - -$2,700.00 766 Credit to your account - 04-16-2024 - -$9,095.00 768 Earned income credit - 04-16-2024 - -$4,995.00 971 Amended tax return or claim forwarded for processing - 05-11-2024 - $0.00 977 Amended return filed - 05-11-2024 - $0.00 767 Reduced or removed credit to your account - 04-16-2024 - $9,095.00 290 Additional tax assessed - 20244804 - 12-16-2024 - $0.00 971 Notice issued - 12-16-2024 - $0.00 Got codes 767, 290, and 971 all showing up today. I'm really confused because it looks like they initially gave me credits (766 and 768 codes), then there was an amended return filed (977 code), then they removed one of the credits with code 767 for $9,095.00. Now I see these new codes from December 16. Anyone know if this is good news or should I be worried? I don't understand why they froze my refund back in February (code 810), and why they're now assessing additional tax (290) but with $0.00 amount. And what does the 971 "Notice issued" mean? Will I be getting something in the mail? Really need this refund soon. I was expecting around $6,595 according to my account balance, but now I'm concerned with all these adjustments.

I see you've got the classic adjustment codes showing up! Based on your transcript, this actually looks like progress. The 767 removing that $9,095 credit was probably correcting an initial processing error - the system sometimes applies credits that need adjustment later. The 290 with $0 amount is just a processing marker (not actual additional tax), and 971 means they're sending you an explanation letter. Your account balance of -$6,595 suggests that's what your refund should be. The February freeze (810) was likely routine verification that's now resolved. Keep checking for an 846 code in the next week or two - that'll show your actual refund date!

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Melissa Lin

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Thank you for explaining this so clearly! I've been stressing about these codes for days and seeing multiple people say the same thing about the 767 being a correction really puts my mind at ease. The fact that my account balance is still showing -$6,595 gives me hope that I'll actually get that amount. I had no idea what the 290 with $0 meant - knowing it's just a processing marker and not actual tax owed is such a relief! Now I know what to look for with that 846 code. Fingers crossed it shows up in the next update! šŸ¤ž

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Bruno Simmons

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I've been dealing with similar codes on my transcript and wanted to share what I learned from calling the IRS directly. The 767 code removing the $9,095 credit is actually a good thing - it means they corrected an initial processing error where too much credit was applied. The 290 with $0 is just a system marker showing processing is complete (not additional tax owed). The 971 notice will likely explain these adjustments. Your -$6,595 account balance should be your actual refund amount. The key thing to watch for now is the 846 code with a date - that's when you'll know your exact refund date. Based on what the IRS rep told me, you should see movement within 2-3 weeks of these adjustment codes appearing. The February freeze was probably just routine verification that's now cleared up!

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Amina Toure

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This is so helpful! I really appreciate that you actually called the IRS to get clarification. It's reassuring to hear from someone who got official confirmation about what these codes mean. The part about the 767 being a correction rather than them taking money away from me makes total sense now. I was really worried when I saw that $9,095 removal but knowing it was fixing an error puts my mind at ease. I'll definitely keep checking for that 846 code - hopefully it shows up in the next couple weeks like the rep told you! Thanks for sharing what you learned from your call šŸ™

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How to Complete Form 8936 for Clean Vehicle Credit After Dealer Transfer? (USA, Federal tax)

Hey tax folks, I'm hitting a wall with the Clean Vehicle Credit for the 2024 tax year. I've got several years of tax prep experience, so I'm familiar with IRS publications, but this one has me scratching my head. Here's my situation - I had the clean vehicle credit transferred to the dealer when I bought my car. I've got all the documentation from both the dealer and my IRS account. But now I'm totally confused about how to properly show this on my tax forms. I'm working on Schedule A, Form 8936 (2024) part IV for the used vehicle portion. I qualify for the maximum credit amount. Line 13b asks for info, but when I check the Form 8936 (2024) Instructions [Draft], there's nothing specific about Line 13. The instructions mention dealer transfers but don't actually say where I need to report this on my forms. I even looked at last year's instructions thinking maybe they'd help, but nope - no instructions for that line in 2023 either. The notice from the IRS confirming the credit doesn't mention where to enter the amount anywhere. On Form 8936 (2024), I'm filling out Part IV, which tells me to put the credit amount on Schedule 3, Form 1040 (2024). I did that, and it shows a $4,000 credit on my 1040, subtracting from my total tax. But here's the problem - I already got this money applied to my vehicle purchase price! If I subtract it again, I'll be underpaying by $4,000. I feel like I'm missing something on Schedule A Form 8936, maybe something about recording the amount of credit I've already received? But I'm not seeing anything that implies that. Any help would be appreciated!

This is such a timely thread! I just went through this exact scenario with my 2024 tax filing and can confirm everything that's been said here. I purchased a used EV in late 2023 and transferred the $4,000 clean vehicle credit to the dealer at the point of sale. Like the original poster, I initially tried to complete Form 8936 because I received all the official documentation from both the dealer and the IRS confirming the credit. The instructions are genuinely confusing - they talk about dealer transfers but don't clearly explain that you shouldn't file the form if you transferred the credit. What finally cleared it up for me was calling my tax preparer, who explained that the transfer process is essentially a sale of your tax benefit to the dealer. Once that transaction is complete, there's nothing for you to report on your personal return. The dealer handles all the IRS paperwork on their end. I ended up filing my return without any mention of the clean vehicle credit, and everything processed normally. The key is keeping all your documentation (dealer paperwork, IRS notices, etc.) in case there are ever any questions, but there's no need to report anything on your 1040. It's frustrating that the IRS forms and instructions haven't been updated to make this clearer, especially since the transfer option is becoming more popular. Hopefully they'll add better guidance for next tax season!

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Miguel Ramos

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Thanks for sharing your experience! It's really helpful to hear from someone who went through the exact same process. I'm curious - when you say you kept all the documentation "in case there are ever any questions," have you heard of anyone actually getting questioned about a transferred credit? I'm wondering if the IRS ever audits these situations or if they just trust that the dealer filed everything correctly on their end. Also, did your tax preparer mention anything about whether this process might change for the 2025 tax year? It sounds like so many people are having this same confusion that hopefully the IRS will update the forms and instructions to be clearer about transfers.

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I'm a newcomer to this community but wanted to share my recent experience since it directly relates to this discussion. I just finished my 2024 tax filing after dealing with the exact same clean vehicle credit transfer confusion. Like many others here, I transferred my $4,000 credit to the dealer when I purchased my vehicle in late 2024. I received all the proper documentation and the IRS confirmation notice, but when tax season came around, I was completely lost about how to handle it on my return. After reading through this entire thread, I followed the consensus advice - I did NOT file Form 8936 and did NOT report anything related to the clean vehicle credit on my tax return. I kept all my dealer and IRS documentation for my records, but otherwise treated my return as if the credit transfer never happened (since from a tax filing perspective, it essentially didn't). My return was accepted and processed without any issues. The key insight that helped me was understanding that when you transfer the credit, you're essentially "selling" that tax benefit to the dealer in exchange for a reduced purchase price. Since the dealer claims the credit from the IRS directly, there's nothing left for you to claim or report. This thread has been incredibly valuable - it's clear that many taxpayers are facing this same confusion, and hopefully the IRS will update their forms and instructions to make the transfer process clearer for future tax seasons. Thank you to everyone who shared their experiences and expertise!

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Diego Flores

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Welcome to the community, Chloe! Your experience really validates what everyone has been saying in this thread. I'm so glad you found this discussion helpful before filing your return - it would have been really frustrating to discover the correct process after already submitting Form 8936 and having to deal with amendments. Your point about treating the transfer "as if it never happened from a tax filing perspective" is such a clear way to think about it. That really captures the essence of why this is so confusing - psychologically, you know you received this significant tax benefit, so it feels wrong not to mention it anywhere on your return. But legally and procedurally, once you transfer it to the dealer, it's completely out of your hands. It's encouraging to hear that your return processed smoothly. Hopefully more people will find this thread when they're dealing with the same situation, because it seems like this confusion is only going to get more common as more people choose the transfer option for convenience.

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Has anyone noticed that tax software often gets MFS vs MFJ wrong? I'm a retired accountant and I've seen this multiple times with clients. The big tax software companies optimize their algorithms for the most common scenarios, and MFS being better than MFJ is relatively uncommon. Try calculating your taxes manually both ways as a triple-check. Pay special attention to: 1. SALT deduction limits ($10k joint vs. $5k each separate) 2. AMT calculations 3. State tax bracket differences 4. Phaseouts of deductions and credits at different income levels

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I experienced this too! H&R Block's software initially said MFJ was better for us, but when my accountant friend calculated it manually, MFS saved us about $3,200 due to state tax interactions that the software missed. Would you recommend just always calculating both ways manually instead of trusting the software recommendation?

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Oliver Weber

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This is actually a great example of why the "MFJ is always better" rule isn't universal! Your situation with high income in California is a classic case where MFS can be advantageous. The key factors working in your favor are: 1. **SALT deduction optimization**: With $52k in mortgage interest and property taxes, you're hitting the $10k SALT cap hard when filing jointly. Filing separately gives you each a $5k SALT limit, which can be more efficient when allocated properly between spouses. 2. **California's progressive tax structure**: Your combined $395k income pushes you into higher CA tax brackets when filing jointly. Splitting allows each spouse to take advantage of lower bracket rates. 3. **AMT considerations**: At your income level, AMT is likely affecting your joint return more than separate returns. I'd strongly recommend running your numbers through a second tax software (TurboTax or FreeTaxUSA) to confirm CashApp's calculations. Also consider consulting a CA tax professional since state-specific nuances can be tricky. One important note: make sure you understand the trade-offs of MFS, like losing certain tax credits and potential impacts on any income-driven loan payments you might have.

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Mikayla Brown

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This is really helpful! I'm new to this community but dealing with a similar situation. My spouse and I are both high earners in New York and I never thought to question whether MFJ was actually optimal for us. We've been automatically filing jointly for years without even considering MFS. Reading through this thread has been eye-opening - especially the points about SALT deduction caps and AMT interactions. It sounds like we should definitely be running both scenarios to see if we've been overpaying. Quick question for anyone who's been through this: when you allocate deductions like mortgage interest and property taxes between spouses for MFS, do you split them based on income percentage or actual ownership/payment responsibility? I assume it needs to reflect who actually paid what?

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Is it worth it to prepay quarterly taxes for a Roth conversion? Penalty vs. investment returns

I recently converted my traditional IRA to Roth in February 2025 which added about $95k to my taxable income for this year. I've been thinking about making quarterly estimated tax payments, but I'm not sure if it's the right move. We're in the 35% tax bracket, and I'm looking at owing roughly $33k in additional federal taxes and $11k in state taxes. To make these quarterly payments, I'd need to sell some of my long-term investments and potentially pay capital gains tax on those sales. I'm wondering if it actually makes sense to just skip the quarterly payments and pay everything (plus the penalty) when I file next year. From what I understand, the underpayment penalty is around 8%. So if my investments earn more than 8% in the market, wouldn't I come out ahead by keeping that money invested instead of making quarterly payments? There's obviously some risk with this approach, but it also means I don't have to figure out how to make quarterly estimated payments, which I've never done before. Plus I wouldn't need to worry about calculating the exact amount owed. What am I missing here? Are there other penalties besides the 8% interest that I should be concerned about? My total estimated underpayment would be around $44k. Side note: I didn't have a 401k available to roll the pre-tax funds into, so I went ahead with the Roth conversion despite the tax hit. I'm comfortable with that decision since I have no idea what tax rates will be when I retire, and I like the security of knowing that money in my Roth won't be taxed again.

Mason Davis

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Has anyone here actually tried the "pay the penalty later" approach? I'm wondering what the actual experience is like when filing. Is it complicated to calculate the correct penalty amount? Does it trigger any audit flags?

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Mason Davis

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Thanks, that's helpful to know! Makes me feel better about potentially going this route. Did TurboTax flag anything or make you fill out any special forms for the penalty calculation?

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I can share my experience with this approach. I had a similar situation two years ago with a large stock option exercise. TurboTax automatically generated Form 2210 to calculate the underpayment penalty - you don't have to do the math yourself. It's pretty straightforward and didn't trigger any special scrutiny. The form just calculates the penalty quarter by quarter based on when you should have made payments versus what you actually paid through withholding. No audit flags or anything unusual. The penalty ended up being about 7.5% of my underpayment, and since my investments returned over 12% that year, it was definitely the right financial choice for me.

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This is a great question that many people face after large conversions! One additional consideration beyond what others have mentioned: if you're in the 35% tax bracket, you might want to check if you qualify for the 110% safe harbor rule (since your AGI is likely over $150k). If you can pay 110% of last year's total tax liability through withholding or estimated payments, you can completely avoid penalties regardless of how much you owe this year from the conversion. Another angle - since you mentioned needing to sell investments to make quarterly payments, have you considered increasing withholding from any W-2 income instead? The IRS treats withholding as if it was paid evenly throughout the year, even if you increase it heavily in Q4. This could let you avoid both the penalty and the need to liquidate investments with capital gains. The math on your approach could definitely work if your investments outperform the penalty rate, but the safe harbor route might give you the best of both worlds - keep your money invested AND avoid penalties entirely.

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This is really helpful advice! I hadn't thought about increasing W-2 withholding instead of making quarterly payments. That's a clever way to potentially qualify for safe harbor without having to liquidate investments. Do you know if there are any limits on how much you can increase withholding in the final quarter? I have a regular job with steady income, so this might be a much simpler solution than trying to figure out quarterly estimated payments. The timing aspect you mentioned (withholding treated as paid evenly throughout the year) could be a game-changer for my situation.

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