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Great advice from everyone here! As someone who recently went through this exact situation in Washington, I'll add that the IRS withholding calculator is definitely your best bet for accuracy. One thing I learned the hard way - if your restaurant job pays tips, make sure to account for those in your calculations too. Tips are taxable income but often have minimal withholding, which can throw off your entire withholding strategy if you don't plan for them. Also, since you mentioned you've always done "single, zero" in the past, you might want to double-check that you haven't been overwithholding on your main job all these years. With the new W-4, you could potentially increase your take-home pay while still withholding the right amount across both jobs. The calculator will show you different scenarios - I found it really helpful to run it a few times with conservative and optimistic estimates for my variable restaurant income to see the range of outcomes.
This is such a helpful point about tips! I hadn't even thought about that aspect yet since I'm just starting at the restaurant. Do you know if there's a way to estimate tip income for the calculator, or should I just wait a few weeks to see what my actual tips look like before filling out the W-4? Also, you're probably right about me overwithholding at my main job. I've been getting pretty big refunds each year but never really questioned it. Sounds like this might be a good opportunity to optimize both jobs at once.
@Oliver Alexander For tip estimation, I d'suggest working a few shifts first to get a realistic baseline, but you can also ask your manager or coworkers what servers typically average per shift. Most restaurants have pretty predictable tip patterns based on the type of establishment and typical check averages. In the meantime, you can run the calculator with a conservative estimate and then update your W-4 later once you have real data. The good news is you can submit a new W-4 to your employer anytime during the year if your situation changes. And yes, definitely worth optimizing both jobs! I was shocked to discover I d'been giving the government an interest-free loan for years with my overwithholding. The calculator helped me find the sweet spot where I get a small refund for (peace of mind without) tying up too much of my money all year.
Just went through this exact situation last month when I started bartending on weekends while keeping my full-time office job. Here's what worked for me: I used the IRS withholding calculator first to get a baseline, then cross-referenced it with the Multiple Jobs Worksheet on the W-4. Both gave me similar results, which was reassuring. For my main job, I updated my W-4 to account for the additional income using the calculator's recommendations. For the bartending job, I kept it simple - filled out just the basic info in Step 1 and signed it in Step 5, leaving Steps 2-4 blank. This withholds at the higher single rate on that income. One tip: since restaurant work often involves tips (which have minimal withholding), I also added a small additional withholding amount on line 4(c) of my weekend job's W-4. Started with $25 per paycheck and adjusted after a few weeks once I had a better sense of my actual tip income. The key is you can always submit an updated W-4 if you need to adjust. Better to start conservative and tweak it than get hit with a surprise tax bill next year!
This is really helpful, thanks for sharing your actual experience! I'm curious about the timing - did you update your main job's W-4 right away when you started the weekend job, or did you wait to see how much you'd actually be making first? I'm starting to think I should probably be more conservative at first too, especially since I have no idea what to expect for tips. The idea of being able to adjust later makes me feel better about not getting it perfect right out of the gate.
Your best bet is to submit a W-4 with your information so they can properly pay you as an employee. If you're concerned about identity theft, monitor your credit reports after giving them your SSN. You can get free credit reports at AnnualCreditReport.com and even put a fraud alert on your accounts if you're really worried.
I've worked in 4 different restaurants and honestly they all wanted to pay under the table for training shifts. Is that normal or were they all breaking the law?
Unfortunately, paying training shifts "under the table" is illegal, even though it's common in the restaurant industry. All hours worked, including training time, must be properly documented and paid through payroll with appropriate tax withholdings. The fact that multiple restaurants have done this doesn't make it legal - it just shows how widespread wage violations are in food service. Employers often justify this by saying training shifts are "unpaid" or "trials," but the Department of Labor is clear that if you're performing any work that benefits the business, you must be compensated as an employee. This is exactly why you should be cautious about the restaurant in your original post. Places that cut corners on basic employment law (like proper payroll processing) often have other violations too. Document your hours worked and consider filing a wage complaint with your state's labor department if they won't pay you properly.
This is really eye-opening! I had no idea that unpaid "trial shifts" were illegal. I worked at a coffee shop last year where they made me do a 4-hour "training shift" without pay and said it was just to "see if I was a good fit." I thought that was normal since other places had done similar things. Should I have reported that? Is there a time limit on filing wage complaints for stuff like that?
Ok this might sound dumb but I had a similar issue and realized I was looking at an outdated form. Double check you have the 2024 version of Form 8959? They made some changes to the Additional Medicare Tax calculation in recent years. Also check if ur tax software is up to date. TurboTax automatically updated for me mid-filing season last year cuz there was some correction to one of the forms.
I've been dealing with Form 8959 for several years now and you're not going crazy - there have definitely been some confusing aspects to the Additional Medicare Tax calculations. The most common issue I see is with Line 22 when people have income right around the threshold amounts. One thing that might help: make sure you're using the most current version of both the form and instructions. The IRS has made several revisions over the years, and sometimes the earlier versions had calculation errors or unclear guidance. For your situation with $275k income as a single filer, you should be calculating Additional Medicare Tax on the amount over $200k. If the worksheet is giving you a different result than what seems logical, try working backwards from the tax code itself - Section 1411 of the IRC is pretty clear about the 0.9% rate on income exceeding the threshold. Document your calculation method thoroughly regardless of which approach you take. If there really is an error in the form instructions, having clear documentation of your reasoning will protect you later.
This is really helpful, thank you! I'm definitely using the current 2024 version of the form, but working backwards from Section 1411 is a great suggestion I hadn't thought of. Just to make sure I understand correctly - for my $275k income, I should be calculating 0.9% on the $75k that exceeds the $200k threshold, which would be $675 in Additional Medicare Tax. Is that the straightforward calculation, or are there other factors that typically complicate this? I'm going to document everything thoroughly like you suggested. Better to be overly cautious with the IRS than sorry later!
Another expense to consider - property taxes during the renovation period. Unlike loan interest and utilities which can potentially be capitalized, property taxes are generally deductible on Schedule A (if you itemize) rather than being added to basis. This is true even during the renovation period. Also, make sure you're separating any personal use from the renovation timeline. If you stayed in the property at any point during renovations, you'll need to allocate expenses accordingly. The IRS is pretty strict about this - only expenses incurred while the property was held purely for investment/sale purposes can be capitalized. One last tip: keep photos documenting the before/during/after condition of the property. This helps support your position that certain expenses were truly improvements rather than just repairs or maintenance.
This is really helpful advice about property taxes and documentation! I'm curious about the personal use allocation you mentioned - if I had to stay in the house for just a few nights while coordinating contractors, would that affect my entire renovation period? Or is it more about extended personal use? Also, did you find that having detailed photos actually helped during any IRS interactions, or is it more of a precautionary measure?
Great question about personal use! A few nights here and there for legitimate business purposes (coordinating contractors, meeting inspectors, etc.) generally won't disqualify your expenses from being capitalized. The IRS looks at the primary purpose - if you're staying there occasionally because it's necessary for the renovation work, that's different from using it as a personal residence. However, if you stayed there for weeks at a time or used it as your primary residence during any part of the renovation, then you'd need to allocate expenses between personal and business use for those periods. Regarding photos - I haven't personally been audited, but my CPA always recommends them as supporting documentation. They help establish that work was actually done and that expenses were legitimate improvements rather than just maintenance. Think of them as insurance - hopefully you'll never need them, but if you do get questioned, having clear before/after evidence of the improvements can save you a lot of headaches. The key is showing the IRS that this was a legitimate investment activity with the intent to improve and sell, not personal use disguised as a business expense.
One thing that hasn't been mentioned yet - if you had to get any permits for your renovation work, those permit fees can definitely be added to your basis as they're directly related to the improvements. Same goes for any required inspections. Also, be careful about mixing renovation expenses with regular maintenance. For example, if you had to replace a broken window during renovation, that's maintenance/repair. But if you upgraded all the windows to energy-efficient ones as part of improving the property, those are capital improvements that increase your basis. The key test is whether the expense restores the property to its original condition (repair/maintenance) or makes it better than it was (improvement). For a flip, you're generally trying to improve the property beyond its original state, so most of your major expenses should qualify for basis treatment. Keep all your receipts organized by category - it'll make everything much easier come tax time!
This is super helpful about permits and the repair vs. improvement distinction! I'm just getting started with understanding all this tax stuff for flips. Quick question - what about things like dumpster rentals and debris removal during renovation? Those seem necessary for the improvement work but don't directly "improve" the property itself. Do those typically get added to basis or treated differently? Also, should I be tracking the time I spend doing work myself, or just the actual money spent on materials and contractors?
Dmitry Volkov
Anyone know if the tax treatment is different for qualified vs non-qualified dispositions of ESPP shares? I've held mine for over a year but less than 2 years from the offering date.
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Jamal Anderson
ā¢Yes, there's a big difference! For a fully qualified disposition, you need to hold the shares for BOTH 1 year after purchase AND 2 years after the offering date. If you only meet the 1-year requirement but not the 2-year one, it's still a disqualifying disposition. With a qualified disposition, any discount you received is still ordinary income, but any additional gain beyond that can be long-term capital gains (lower tax rate). With a disqualifying disposition, more of your gain might be taxed as ordinary income depending on your specific plan details.
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Emma Wilson
This is exactly the kind of confusion that trips up so many ESPP participants! You're right to be concerned about double taxation, but the good news is that you've already paid the taxes on that $135. Here's what happened: When you acquired the shares in August 2023, the $135 "bargain element" (the discount you received) was treated as compensation income and included on your W2. You paid ordinary income tax on this when you filed your 2023 return. When you sell in 2024, your cost basis for tax purposes will be the fair market value of the shares on the purchase date (8/15/23) - which already includes that $135 discount that was taxed. So you'll only owe capital gains tax on any appreciation since then. Make sure your broker reports the correct adjusted cost basis on your 1099-B. Sometimes they get this wrong and show a lower basis, which could lead to overpaying taxes. If there's a discrepancy, you'll need your ESPP statements to prove the correct basis. Since you're planning to use TurboTax, it should handle this correctly as long as the 1099-B shows the right cost basis. Good luck with those home repairs!
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Chloe Boulanger
ā¢This is super helpful, thank you! One quick follow-up question - how do I know if my broker reported the correct adjusted cost basis? Is there a specific number I should be looking for on the 1099-B that matches something from my ESPP purchase documents? I want to double-check this before I sell to make sure I don't run into any surprises.
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