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19 Has anyone considered just waiting until filing your 2024 tax return and paying everything then? I missed my Q4 payment too, but my accountant said sometimes it's simpler to just pay the small penalty rather than jumping through hoops to make a late estimated payment separately.

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6 That's what I did last year. The penalty wasn't terrible - I owed about $3,000 for my Q4 payment and the underpayment penalty was like $75. For me, that was worth the simplicity of just handling it all at tax time rather than dealing with making a separate late payment.

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16 Just be careful with this approach. If you owe a substantial amount, the penalties can add up quickly. They calculate it based on both the amount and how long it was late. Also, if you repeatedly miss estimated payments, it can trigger more IRS scrutiny on your returns.

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23 Another option if you're having trouble with the IRS website is to make the payment by phone. You can call 1-888-PAY-1040 (1-888-729-1040) and make your late Q4 2024 estimated payment over the phone. There's usually a small convenience fee (around $2-3), but it might be worth it to avoid the website navigation issues. When you call, tell them you want to make a 2024 estimated tax payment, and they should be able to process it properly. They can also confirm that your payment is being applied to the correct tax year, which gives you peace of mind that it won't get mixed up with 2025 payments. I've used this method before when the website was being glitchy, and it's usually pretty straightforward. The automated system walks you through everything step by step.

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Ryan Andre

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This is really helpful! I didn't know you could call to make the payment. Quick question - when you call that number, do you get connected to a live person or is it all automated? I'm worried about getting stuck in phone tree hell like when trying to reach regular IRS customer service. Also, is there a limit on how much you can pay over the phone this way?

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Just throwing this out there - have you considered whether this accounting method change is really necessary? Switching from cash to accrual is a big deal and creates a lot of complexity. My CPA advised against it for my business because the ongoing compliance burden wasn't worth the temporary tax benefits.

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This is actually really good advice. I switched from cash to accrual in 2021 and immediately regretted it. The ongoing bookkeeping became so much more complicated, and it didn't save nearly as much in taxes as I thought it would.

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Mason Davis

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I actually went through this exact situation with a client last year and can confirm what others have said - you CAN file Form 3115 with your 2023 return as long as it's timely filed (including extensions). The critical thing is making sure you qualify for the automatic change procedures. Most cash-to-accrual changes for businesses under the $27 million threshold qualify, but you need to be careful about the Section 481(a) adjustment calculation. One thing I'd add that I haven't seen mentioned - if your client has a positive Section 481(a) adjustment (meaning they'll owe more tax), they can spread it over 4 years to soften the impact. If it's negative (tax savings), they get the full benefit in the year of change. Also make sure you send the duplicate copy to the IRS National Office within the required timeframe - that's a common mistake that can cause the whole method change to be rejected. The address and timing requirements are in the Form 3115 instructions.

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Caleb Stark

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This is incredibly helpful, thank you! I'm new to handling accounting method changes and wasn't aware of the 4-year spread option for positive Section 481(a) adjustments. That could make a huge difference for my client's cash flow situation. Quick question - when you mention sending the duplicate copy to the IRS National Office, is there a specific timeframe for that? And does it need to be sent separately from the return filing, or can it all go together? I want to make sure I don't miss any critical deadlines that could jeopardize the method change.

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Ethan Davis

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Miguel, I completely understand your confusion! When I first started really paying attention to my paystubs, I felt like I needed a decoder ring. Here's something that might help that others haven't mentioned yet: Check if your company has a "cafeteria plan" or "Section 125" deductions - these are pre-tax benefits like health insurance, FSA/HSA contributions, or transit passes that reduce your taxable income. Sometimes these get implemented or changed mid-year and can significantly impact your take-home pay even though they're actually saving you money on taxes. Also, look for any deductions labeled "GARNISH" or "LEVY" - these would be court-ordered wage garnishments for things like child support, student loans, or tax liens. They can start suddenly if there's been a legal judgment. One more tip: if you have direct deposit, your bank statement might show the net amount differently than your paystub if there are any post-payroll deductions (like loan payments to your employer or union dues). The $127 increase really does sound like something specific happened - maybe a retroactive benefits enrollment or a correction from previous pay periods. Definitely worth getting that detailed explanation from HR. You're absolutely right to want to understand where every dollar of your hard-earned money is going!

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AstroAce

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Great point about Section 125 deductions! I totally forgot about those when I was trying to figure out my own paycheck mystery last year. The FSA thing especially caught me off guard - I had enrolled during open enrollment but completely forgot it would start coming out of my checks in January. Also, the timing of Miguel's issue (April) makes me think it could be related to the new tax year kicking in or annual benefit renewals. A lot of companies do their benefits year from April to March instead of calendar year, so that could explain the sudden changes. The garnishment/levy point is really important too - those can definitely appear without much warning if you've missed payments on federal student loans or have outstanding tax debt. Hopefully that's not the case here, but it's definitely something to check if other explanations don't add up.

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StarSailor

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Miguel, you're definitely not alone in being confused by paycheck deductions! One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is to check if your employer recently updated their payroll software or changed how they calculate withholdings. Sometimes system updates can cause temporary discrepancies while everything gets recalibrated. Also, since this is April, it's worth checking if your company does annual "true-ups" for things like Social Security wage base limits or if any local tax rates changed for the new fiscal year. Some municipalities adjust their tax rates in April rather than January. Another possibility - if you've been getting overtime or bonuses recently, those are often taxed at a higher supplemental rate (usually 22% federal) which could explain why your withholding percentage seems higher than expected. I'd definitely recommend keeping copies of your last few paystubs and asking HR for a side-by-side comparison of this period versus the same period last year if possible. The $127 increase is significant enough that there should be a clear explanation for it. Don't feel bad about asking questions - your paycheck should make sense to you!

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This is such helpful insight about the supplemental tax rate! I never realized that overtime and bonuses get taxed differently - that could definitely explain why my withholding jumped so much. I did work some extra hours last month for a project deadline, so that timing lines up perfectly. The point about payroll software updates is interesting too - our company did mention something about system maintenance recently but I didn't connect it to paycheck changes. I'm feeling much more confident about approaching HR now that I have all these specific things to ask about. Thanks everyone for making this so much less intimidating!

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One thing I learned the hard way: the 25% employer contribution rate for an S-Corp is only for the profit sharing portion. If you want to do a Solo 401k match instead of profit sharing, the limit is only 4% of compensation (which would be $480 in your case). Big difference! Profit sharing is almost always better for single-employee S-Corps unless you have some very unusual circumstances.

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Great thread! Just wanted to add something that might help with the confusion about reasonable compensation - I've found that keeping documentation is key. When I set my S-Corp salary, I saved job postings for similar roles in my area and wrote a brief memo explaining my reasoning. Also, one thing that caught my eye in your numbers - with $35k revenue and $6k expenses, you have $29k in net profit. Taking $12k as salary leaves $17k in distributions. While this might be reasonable now, if your business grows significantly, you'll want to revisit that salary level not just for IRS compliance, but also to maximize your retirement contributions. The sweet spot is finding that balance where you're paying enough in salary to satisfy reasonable compensation requirements while maximizing your retirement savings potential. Sometimes paying a bit more in payroll taxes is worth it for the extra retirement contribution space you get!

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Khalil Urso

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This is really solid advice about documentation! I'm new to the S-Corp world and hadn't thought about keeping records to justify my salary decisions. Quick question - when you say "brief memo," do you mean something formal or just a simple document explaining your reasoning? And how detailed should it be? I want to make sure I'm covering my bases properly from the start.

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Omar Farouk

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3 I've been betting on sports apps for years and honestly never filed in other states. Just reported everything on my home state return. No issues so far, but sounds like I might be doing it wrong?

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Omar Farouk

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8 Technically yes, but realistically the states probably won't come after you unless you had major winnings. The sportsbooks are required to issue W-2Gs for large payouts (usually over $600) though, and those get reported to tax authorities.

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Saleem Vaziri

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This is a really complex area that trips up a lot of people! Based on what I've seen, you're right to be concerned about proper reporting. Generally, you do need to file non-resident returns in states where you were physically present when placing winning bets, regardless of whether it was through an app or at a physical location. The key factor is your physical location when the bet was placed, not where the sportsbook is licensed. However, there are some practical considerations that might help: 1. Many states have minimum filing thresholds for non-residents (often $1,000-$2,500) 2. You'll get credit on your PA return for taxes paid to other states to avoid double taxation 3. Some of your out-of-state winnings might fall below reporting thresholds For your $8,500 in winnings, I'd recommend getting the location data from each sportsbook (most can provide this if requested) and checking each state's non-resident filing requirements. You might find that you only need to file in 1-2 states rather than all of them. The "state sourcing" question in your tax software is asking exactly this - where the income was earned geographically. Don't guess on this one since the penalties for incorrect state filing can add up quickly.

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This is really helpful advice! I'm in a similar situation but have been putting off dealing with it. When you mention getting location data from sportsbooks, how exactly do you request that? Do you just call customer service or is there a specific form? Also, do you know if the state tax credits are automatic when filing or do you have to manually calculate and claim them? I'm worried about making errors since this is my first year dealing with multi-state gambling income.

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