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Just a heads up, the penalties for not filing FBARs can be INSANE. Non-willful violations can be up to $12,921 per violation (for 2023), and willful violations can be the greater of $129,210 or 50% of the account balance at the time of violation. Don't mess around with this form!

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Those penalties sound terrifying. Is there any way to fix it if you didn't know you were supposed to file in previous years? I just realized I probably should have been filing these for years...

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Emma Bianchi

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If you missed filing FBARs in previous years, there are a few options depending on your situation. The IRS has the Delinquent FBAR Submission Procedures for people who missed filings but weren't trying to hide anything. You can file the missing FBARs with a statement explaining the reasonable cause for the late filing. For more complex situations involving unreported income, there's the Streamlined Filing Compliance Procedures. The key is demonstrating that your failure to file was non-willful. Don't ignore it though - the IRS tends to be more lenient with voluntary disclosures than if they discover it during an audit. Consider consulting a tax professional who specializes in international compliance to help navigate your specific situation.

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This is really helpful information! I'm dealing with a similar situation where I have joint ownership of a foreign account with my spouse (we're both US citizens but the account is in the UK from when we lived there). Based on what Dylan explained, since I'm a joint owner, I definitely have financial interest and need to report it on the FBAR. One thing I'm still confused about though - do I need to report the full account balance or just my "share" as a joint owner? The account has about £18,000 but technically half of that is my spouse's money. Should I report the full balance or just £9,000?

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Yuki Tanaka

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You need to report the full account balance (Ā£18,000) on your FBAR, not just your share. Even though you're joint owners, the IRS requires you to report the maximum balance of the entire account during the year. Your spouse would also need to report the full balance on their separate FBAR if they're filing one too. This might seem like double reporting, but that's how the FBAR rules work for joint accounts - each joint owner reports the full amount. The key is making sure you convert the balance to USD using the Treasury's published exchange rates for the reporting period.

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Emma, I feel your pain! I was in the exact same boat last year - frantically searching for a 1099-SA while H&R Block held my tax return hostage. Here's what worked for me: First, check if you actually made any HSA withdrawals in 2024. If you only contributed to your HSA but never took money out for medical expenses, you won't have a 1099-SA. Sometimes tax software asks about forms you don't actually need based on how you answer other questions. If you did make withdrawals, your HSA provider is required to have the form available by January 31st. Try these steps in order: 1. Log into your HSA provider's website (check your paystub for the company name) 2. Look for "Tax Documents" or "Tax Forms" section 3. If you can't find it online, call the customer service number 4. Ask your HR department - they often have direct contacts Don't panic about owing taxes! The 1099-SA just reports withdrawals, but if you used the money for qualified medical expenses (prescriptions, doctor visits, etc.), those are tax-free. Worst case scenario, you can file for an extension to give yourself more time while still enjoying your trip. The stress isn't worth it - this happens to tons of people every year and it always gets sorted out! Good luck!

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Chloe Davis

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This is really helpful William! I'm new here but wanted to add something that might save Emma some time - if you're not sure whether you actually made HSA withdrawals, you can quickly check by looking at your HSA account balance from the beginning vs end of 2024. If the balance only went up (from contributions) and never went down, then you didn't have any withdrawals and won't need a 1099-SA form. I learned this the hard way when I spent hours trying to track down a form I didn't actually need! Sometimes the tax software gets a bit overzealous asking about every possible form. Your point about checking what actually happened with your account first is really smart - it can save a lot of unnecessary stress and phone calls. Also seconding the advice about not panicking over taxes owed - the HSA tax benefits are actually really good once you understand how they work. Hope Emma gets this figured out quickly and can focus on enjoying her upcoming trip instead of stressing about tax forms!

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Emma, I completely understand your frustration! This exact situation happened to me two years ago and I was pulling my hair out trying to figure out what a 1099-SA even was. Here's the quick answer: The 1099-SA reports any money you withdrew from your Health Savings Account (HSA) during 2024. Since H&R Block is asking for it, you definitely made at least one withdrawal from your HSA last year. To find your form, check your most recent paystub first - it should show which company manages your HSA (like HealthEquity, Optum Bank, HSA Bank, etc.). Then go to that provider's website and log into your account. Look for a "Tax Documents" or "Forms" section - they're required to post these by January 31st. If you can't access it online, call the customer service number on your HSA debit card or any HSA statements you've received. They can usually email you a copy immediately. Here's the good news - having a 1099-SA doesn't automatically mean you owe more taxes! If you used the HSA money for qualified medical expenses (doctor visits, prescriptions, medical procedures), those withdrawals are completely tax-free. H&R Block will just ask you to specify which expenses were medical-related. Don't stress too much about this - it's super common and you should be able to get the form quickly once you contact your HSA provider. You'll definitely get your taxes done before your trip!

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This is such helpful and reassuring advice! I'm new to this community but wanted to jump in since I'm actually dealing with a very similar situation right now. Your point about checking the paystub first is brilliant - I never thought to look there for the HSA provider name, but you're absolutely right that it's usually listed with the deductions. I'm curious though - what if you made HSA withdrawals using the debit card but can't remember exactly what they were for? I know I used mine a few times last year but I'm worried I might not have proper documentation for all the expenses. Does H&R Block require you to enter specific details about each medical expense, or can you just indicate that the total withdrawal amount was for qualified medical expenses? Also, Emma, don't feel bad about not knowing what a 1099-SA was - I had never heard of it either until my tax software started asking for it! It's definitely not as commonly discussed as W-2s or other tax forms, so you're not alone in the confusion. Hope you get it sorted out quickly!

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I wish the tax code wasn't so unnecessarily complicated!! Why can't points just be points and deductions just be deductions? My freind got audited over this exact issue and the IRS agent didn't even understand it. He kept changing his answer!!!!

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Logan Chiang

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The complication comes from people using the tax code as a way to get around limits. That's why we have all these rules. If there was a simple "deduct all points" rule without the $750k mortgage limit, people would just convert regular interest into points to bypass the limit completely.

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Isla Fischer

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This is exactly the kind of situation where documentation is everything. I went through something similar last year with an $820k mortgage and $8,200 in points. The key thing I learned is to keep meticulous records of exactly how much of your loan went toward the home purchase vs. any improvements. Since you mentioned $50k went to renovations, that could actually work in your favor. The IRS treats home improvement debt differently - it's not subject to the same $750k cap as acquisition debt. So you'd potentially have $780k subject to the limit (not the full $830k), which would increase your deductible percentage. My advice: get your closing statement, contractor receipts, and any other documentation organized now. When your tax person gets back, they'll be able to properly allocate the points between acquisition debt and improvement debt. This could save you several hundred dollars in additional deductions. Don't just assume you're limited to the simple ratio calculation - the improvement portion changes everything.

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Jacob Lee

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This is really helpful - I had no idea that the home improvement portion could be treated differently! So just to make sure I understand correctly: if I can properly document that $50k of my mortgage went directly to renovations, then I'd calculate my deductible points based on $780k being subject to the limit instead of the full $830k? That would change my ratio from about 90% to around 96%, which is a meaningful difference on $9,500 in points. Do I need any specific type of documentation beyond the closing statement and contractor receipts to prove this allocation?

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Ella Cofer

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One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is quarterly estimated tax payments. Since you're making "decent money" after 8 months, you'll likely need to make quarterly payments to avoid underpayment penalties. The IRS expects you to pay as you earn, not just at year-end. For 2025, if you expect to owe $1,000 or more in taxes on your golf business income, you should be making quarterly payments. The deadlines are January 15, April 15, June 16, and September 15. You can use Form 1040ES to calculate what you owe. Also consider opening a separate business checking account if you haven't already. It makes tracking so much easier and looks more professional if you ever get audited. You can deduct the monthly fees as a business expense too. Keep up the great work with the side business - sounds like you're really building something solid!

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This is such important advice! I wish someone had told me about quarterly payments when I started my consulting business. I got hit with a nasty underpayment penalty my first year because I thought I could just pay everything in April. For someone just starting out like the original poster, even if you're not sure you'll owe $1,000, it's better to make small quarterly payments than get surprised later. You can always adjust the amounts as you learn what your actual income will be. The separate business account is a game-changer too - makes everything so much cleaner for record-keeping and really helps you see how the business is actually performing separate from your personal finances.

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StarGazer101

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Great thread everyone! As someone who's been through the home business learning curve, I wanted to add a few practical tips that helped me stay organized: 1. **Monthly reconciliation** - Set aside time each month to categorize expenses and reconcile your business account. Don't wait until tax time! I use a simple spreadsheet with columns for date, vendor, amount, category, and business purpose. 2. **Photo documentation** - Take pictures of receipts immediately and store them in a cloud folder organized by month. I've saved myself multiple times when paper receipts faded or got lost. 3. **Business purpose notes** - For any expense that could be questioned (like those golf rounds for testing clubs), write the business purpose directly on the receipt or in your expense tracking. "Tested driver repair for Client X" is much better than trying to remember 6 months later. 4. **Mileage log app** - Use an app like MileIQ or even just the notes app on your phone to track business mileage in real-time. I tried keeping a paper log and failed miserably. The key is building these habits now while your business is growing. It's so much easier to maintain good records from the start than to reconstruct everything later. Sounds like you're already thinking about this stuff the right way - that puts you ahead of most new business owners!

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This is incredibly helpful advice! I'm actually just getting started with my own small service business (pet sitting) and I've been dreading the record-keeping aspect. The monthly reconciliation tip especially resonates - I can see how waiting until tax time would be overwhelming. Quick question about the photo documentation - do you organize the cloud folders by expense category too, or just by month? I'm trying to figure out the best system before I get too deep into receipts. And thanks for the MileIQ recommendation - I drive to different clients' homes daily so accurate mileage tracking will be crucial for me. It's reassuring to hear from someone who's made it through the learning curve successfully. These practical systems seem so much more manageable than trying to wing it!

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Can't Find 14-Digit Control Number on IRS Identity Verification Notice to Access sa.www4.irs.gov Portal

I need help getting into the IRS Identity Verification portal (sa.www4.irs.gov). I got their verification notice in the mail, and I'm on the "Verify Your Return" page where it says "Did you receive an IRS return verification notice in the mail?" But I'm completely stuck because they keep asking for a "14-digit control number provided on your notice" and I've looked at every single page of my notice multiple times but can't find anything that looks like a control number. The site says I don't need to use spaces when entering it, but that doesn't help since I can't even find the number to begin with. I'm currently looking at the exact IRS Identity Verification screen at sa.www4.irs.gov which displays "An official website of the United States Government" with the "Here's how you know" text next to it. I'm on the "Verify Your Return" page under the "Verify Your Notice" section. The screen specifically asks "Did you receive an IRS return verification notice in the mail?" and there's additional text that says "(You will need this notice to continue with this online service. If you received a notice, but don't have it with you, please come back later.)" I selected "Yes" and now it's asking me to "Enter the 14-digit control number provided on your notice, you don't need to use spaces." That's exactly where I'm stuck because I've scoured every inch of my notice and can't find anything resembling a 14-digit number. I see there's an option that says "No, please resend the notice" but it warns that "(If you have filed your return within the last 7 days, please allow an additional 14 days to receive the notice in the mail before requesting another one to be sent. You can then come back and continue verifying.)" I'd rather not wait another 2 weeks for a new notice if I can avoid it. There's a blue "CONTINUE" button at the bottom of the screen, but I can't proceed without this control number. Has anyone else dealt with this? Where exactly on the notice is this control number supposed to be? I feel like I'm going crazy looking at every single line of this notice.

Max Knight

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@Zoe Dimitriou - glad you figured out the letter mix-up! Just wanted to add that the 4883C process is actually pretty straightforward once you know what to do. You'll typically need to call the number on your letter with your Social Security card, driver's license, and a copy of your tax return. They'll walk you through the verification steps over the phone. It's actually faster than the online portal in most cases since you don't have to wait for additional notices. The phone reps are usually pretty helpful with 4883C cases too.

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@Max Knight thanks for the extra info! Just called the number on my 4883C and you re'right - way easier than I expected. The rep was super helpful and walked me through everything step by step. Had all my docs ready and the whole thing took maybe 20 minutes. Definitely beats waiting weeks for new notices!

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Just wanted to chime in as someone who went through this exact same confusion last year! The letter mix-up between 5071C and 4883C is super common - I did the same thing and spent forever looking for a control number that didn't exist. One thing to add to what others have mentioned: when you call the number on your 4883C letter, make sure you have your prior year tax return handy too (not just the current year). They sometimes ask questions about previous filings to verify your identity. Also, if you're calling during peak season (Jan-April), expect longer wait times but don't give up - the phone verification really is much faster than going through the mail process. The good news is once you complete the 4883C verification, your account gets flagged as resolved and you're less likely to get these notices in the future. Hope this helps!

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@Freya Collins This is such helpful advice! I m'dealing with a similar situation right now and had no idea about needing the prior year return. Question - when you called, did they resolve everything in that one phone call or did you have to do any follow-up steps? I m'hoping to get this sorted quickly since I m'still waiting on my refund.

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