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Great point about documentation! I'd also add that you should gather any records of property taxes you paid during ownership - the IRS views paying property taxes on unused land as another indicator of investment intent rather than personal use. If you researched comparable sales in the area or tracked market values over time, those records can also help demonstrate you were treating it as an investment. One thing to be careful about though - make sure you don't have any photos or social media posts that might suggest personal use (like family gatherings on the property, even if rare). The IRS can be pretty thorough in audits, and anything that suggests recreational use could complicate your investment property classification. Sounds like you're in good shape since you mentioned barely visiting it, but worth double-checking your digital footprint just to be safe.
That's a really smart point about checking social media posts! I never would have thought about that but it makes total sense that the IRS could look at those during an audit. I'm relieved that I basically never posted anything about the land since I hardly went there, but you're right that it's worth double-checking. The property tax records are a great idea too - I've been paying taxes on it for years and treating it like any other investment on my books. It's reassuring to know that helps establish the investment intent. Thanks for mentioning the comparable sales research angle as well. I did look up sales in the area a few times over the years when I was wondering about the value, so I should try to find those records too.
I've been following this discussion with interest since I'm dealing with a similar situation. One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is the importance of keeping records of your original purchase decision-making process. When I bought my vacant land in 2019, I saved all the research I did on the area's growth potential, zoning changes, and planned infrastructure improvements. Even though my investment didn't pan out either, having those documents really helped when I spoke with a tax professional. It clearly showed my mindset was investment-focused from day one, not recreational. I also kept records of periodic market value checks I did online over the years, which demonstrated ongoing investment monitoring rather than just buying and forgetting about it. For anyone in this situation, I'd recommend gathering not just the obvious stuff like purchase contracts and property tax records, but also any emails, web searches, or notes you made about why you thought the property would appreciate. The IRS seems to really focus on your intent and thought process, so the more you can document that investment mindset, the stronger your position will be.
This is incredibly helpful advice! I wish I had thought to save all that research when I was making my original purchase decision. I definitely did look into the area's development potential and even checked some municipal planning documents online, but I didn't think to save any of it at the time. Your point about demonstrating ongoing investment monitoring is really smart too. I did check property values periodically over the years, especially when I saw news about potential development in nearby areas, but unfortunately I don't have records of those searches. For anyone else reading this who still owns investment property, definitely start keeping a file of this stuff now! Do you think it would be worth trying to recreate some of that research now, or would that look suspicious since I'm doing it after the fact? I'm wondering if I can at least document what sources I would have been looking at during my original purchase timeframe.
4 Don't forget about your 1099 situation if either internship classifies you as a contractor rather than an employee! That completely changes your tax requirements.
14 Most legitimate internships should classify you as a W-2 employee, not a 1099 contractor. If they're trying to pay you as a 1099, that might be a red flag.
Great advice from everyone here! As someone who's helped many students through similar situations, I'd add that since you're making around $64,500 total, you'll definitely be in a higher tax bracket than what each employer assumes when calculating withholdings. One thing to watch out for - California has some of the highest state income taxes, so that January-May period will likely have more tax impact than you might expect. NYC also has city taxes on top of state taxes, though for a shorter period. Given that your parents are claiming you as a dependent, make sure they know about your income levels - it might affect their tax situation too, especially if they're getting certain credits that phase out with higher household income. You should coordinate with them before tax season to make sure everyone's on the same page.
This is really helpful context about the coordination with parents! I hadn't thought about how my internship income might affect their tax situation. Should I be worried about pushing them out of certain income brackets or credits? My total income will be around $64,500 and I'm not sure what their household income looks like, but I want to make sure I'm not accidentally costing them money by earning too much. Also, do you have any specific recommendations for tracking expenses during these internships? I'll be relocating for both positions and wondering if any of those costs might be deductible.
If ur not sure whether u were paid as a employee or contractor just look at ur bank deposits. If taxes were taken out ur an employee (W2). If u got paid the full amount with no deductions ur a contractor (1099). Super easy to figure out!
This isn't always accurate. I've had jobs where I was an employee but elected to have 0 federal withholding temporarily (needed cash flow at the time), so my deposits looked like contractor payments. But I still got a W2 because I was on payroll and they were withholding SS and Medicare.
I've been through this exact situation before! First, definitely contact those employers directly ASAP since the January 31st deadline has passed. For the restaurant and retail jobs, check if you have any old paystubs or bank statements - those will tell you immediately if you were an employee (taxes withheld) or contractor (full payment). If you can't reach the employers or they're unresponsive, you have a few good options: You can use the IRS online account to check your wage transcripts (though 2024 data might not be fully loaded yet), or if you need to file sooner, there are tools like taxr.ai that can help recreate your tax documents from paystubs. The IRS also has procedures for filing without official forms using substitute wage statements. Don't let missing W2s delay your refund indefinitely - there are definitely ways to move forward without them!
This is really helpful advice! I'm actually in a similar boat - still waiting on a W2 from a job I left last fall. Quick question though - when you say the IRS has procedures for filing without official forms, do you need to do anything special on your tax return to indicate you're using substitute wage statements? Like do you have to attach a note or check a box somewhere?
I'm new to this community but found myself in almost the exact same situation! My spouse and I formed an LLC partnership in 2023 with big plans for a side business, but between work demands and family obligations, we ended up with absolutely zero business activity in 2024. No income, no expenses, nothing. Reading through everyone's experiences here has been incredibly eye-opening and honestly a huge relief. I was really hoping we could just skip filing anything since we literally did no business, but it's clear from all the penalty stories that Form 1065 is mandatory regardless of activity level. The fact that multiple people have shared nearly identical situations and successfully filed using tax software gives me a lot more confidence. The tip about having your EIN and initial capital contribution documentation ready seems really important - we put in $200 each when we opened the business bank account, so I'll make sure to dig up those records. It's reassuring to know that when there's zero activity, most of the form is just zeros and the process takes 1-2 hours rather than the days I was imagining. Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences - this thread has completely changed my perspective from dreading this filing to feeling like it's actually manageable. Better to spend a couple hours filing zeros than risk thousands in penalties!
Welcome to the community! Your situation sounds exactly like what so many of us have gone through - it's really common to set up an LLC with good intentions and then have life get in the way. I'm glad this thread has been helpful for you! The $200 each in initial contributions that you mentioned is definitely something you'll need to report on Schedule L (the balance sheet section), even though nothing else happened during the year. Having those bank records ready will make the process much smoother. One thing I learned when I filed my zero-activity return is that it's actually kind of satisfying to get it done - you go from this nagging worry about penalties and compliance to just having it off your plate. And honestly, once you do it the first time, you'll know exactly what to expect if you're in the same situation next year. The community here is really great for these kinds of practical tax questions. Don't hesitate to ask if you run into any specific issues when you're filling out the form!
I'm new to this community but found myself in this exact situation! My husband and I formed an LLC partnership in late 2023 for a consulting business we planned to start, but due to unexpected circumstances (job relocation and health issues in the family), we had zero business activity throughout 2024. Reading through all these experiences has been incredibly helpful and honestly a relief. I was really hoping we could avoid filing since we literally did nothing business-wise, but the penalty stories are definitely convincing me that Form 1065 is non-negotiable regardless of activity level. The practical advice about using tax software like FreeTaxUSA and the 1-2 hour timeline for completion makes this feel much more manageable than I was expecting. We put in $150 each when we opened the business account, so I'll make sure to have those bank statements ready for the Schedule L reporting. It's reassuring to see so many people in similar situations who successfully navigated this process. Better to spend a couple hours filing mostly zeros than risk those escalating monthly penalties! Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences - this thread has transformed my anxiety about this filing into confidence that it's totally doable.
Zoe Papadakis
This is such a comprehensive and eye-opening discussion! I'm currently on an H1B visa and planning to return to my home country (Mexico) in the next 2-3 years, and I've been contributing to my Roth IRA for the past 5 years. One aspect I wanted to add that I haven't seen mentioned yet is how the Mexican tax authority (SAT) treats foreign retirement accounts under their recent anti-avoidance rules. Mexico has been cracking down on foreign financial accounts, and there are now much stricter reporting requirements for Mexican tax residents with overseas assets above certain thresholds. What's particularly concerning for my situation is that Mexico doesn't fully recognize the tax-free status of Roth IRA distributions under their domestic tax law, even though the US-Mexico tax treaty has provisions for retirement income. I've been told by a cross-border tax advisor that Mexico may treat Roth distributions as regular investment income subject to their capital gains tax rates, which could significantly impact the benefit I was expecting. I'm also dealing with a practical issue that @StarStrider mentioned about banking regulations - Mexican banks have been implementing stricter "know your customer" requirements for large foreign transfers, which could complicate receiving Roth distributions. Some banks now require extensive documentation about the source of funds, including proof that taxes were properly handled in the source country. Has anyone in this thread dealt with countries that don't fully recognize the US tax treatment of Roth accounts? I'm starting to wonder if I should consider alternative strategies, like potentially converting my Roth back to a traditional IRA before moving, though I know that would have immediate tax consequences. The insights everyone has shared here have been invaluable for understanding just how complex these cross-border retirement planning issues can be!
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Sofia Martinez
ā¢@Zoe Papadakis - your situation with Mexico s'anti-avoidance rules and SAT s'treatment of foreign retirement accounts is really concerning and adds another layer of complexity I hadn t'fully considered! The fact that Mexico may not recognize the tax-free status of Roth distributions despite treaty provisions is particularly troubling. This seems to be a recurring theme across several countries mentioned in this thread - even when treaties exist, domestic tax law interpretations can override the expected benefits. Your mention of converting back to a traditional IRA is interesting but probably not advisable given the immediate tax hit. Have you looked into whether there might be any timing strategies available? For example, could you potentially delay your move to Mexico until after you reach 59.5 and can start taking qualified distributions while still a US resident, then use those funds to establish other investments that might be treated more favorably under Mexican tax law? The banking compliance issues you re'facing with Mexican banks requiring extensive source documentation is also really important for others to consider. It sounds like even if you solve the tax treatment issues, there could be practical hurdles in actually accessing your funds. I m'curious - has your cross-border tax advisor provided any guidance on how other US expats in Mexico have handled similar situations? Given the large American expat community in Mexico, there might be established strategies or precedents for dealing with SAT s'position on US retirement accounts. This really reinforces how critical it is to get country-specific professional advice early in the planning process. The US side might be straightforward, but each destination country can have completely different interpretations and requirements that could fundamentally change your retirement strategy.
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Liam McConnell
This thread has been incredibly informative! I'm currently on an F-1 visa (just started working on OPT) and planning to return to South Korea in about 18 months. I've only been contributing to my Roth IRA for about a year, but this discussion has me wondering if I should even continue given all the potential complications. From what I'm reading, it seems like even when the US treats qualified Roth distributions as tax-free, each home country has its own interpretation and compliance requirements that could significantly complicate things. South Korea has been implementing stricter foreign asset reporting requirements recently, and I'm concerned about the ongoing administrative burden. A few specific questions that this discussion has raised for me: 1) For those who went through this process, what was the total cost (legal fees, tax preparation, compliance, etc.) of managing the cross-border aspects? I'm trying to do a cost-benefit analysis of whether the Roth IRA benefits justify the complexity for someone with a relatively short US work period. 2) Has anyone considered just withdrawing their Roth contributions (which I understand are always tax-free) before leaving the US to avoid the ongoing international compliance issues? Obviously you'd lose the growth potential, but it might simplify things significantly. 3) Are there any alternative retirement savings strategies that work better for temporary US workers who plan to return home? Maybe focusing more on taxable investment accounts that might have simpler international treatment? The experiences everyone has shared really highlight how much more complex this is than I initially realized. Thank you all for the detailed insights - it's helping me make a much more informed decision about my retirement planning strategy!
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