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Question - does a tiny 2-unit HOA like this need to file state tax returns too? I'm in a similar situation in Michigan and our accountant is charging us $300 just to file the federal 1120-H that shows zero tax owed, plus another $250 for state filing. Seems excessive for such a simple return!
I'm in Washington state with a 6-unit HOA, and we definitely have to file state returns too. But $550 total does sound steep for such a simple filing. We use a tax software specifically for HOAs that costs about $125 for both federal and state. Maybe look into doing it yourself next year?
Your understanding is correct! For a 2-unit HOA with only $65 in interest income, Form 1120-H is definitely the right choice. The $100 specific deduction will indeed eliminate your tax liability completely. Just a few things to double-check to make sure you qualify for 1120-H: - At least 60% of your gross income needs to be exempt function income (your monthly dues) - which you clearly meet since that's almost all your income - The HOA needs to be formed to provide services, maintenance, etc. for residential units - which your setup qualifies for - Make sure you have basic HOA documentation (even simple bylaws work for a 2-unit setup) One tip: even though you owe no tax, you still must file the return by April 15th (or the 15th day of the 4th month after your fiscal year ends if you don't use calendar year). The IRS requires the filing regardless of whether tax is owed. Also keep detailed records of all HOA income and expenses, including bank statements and receipts for maintenance/utilities. This will make future filings much easier and protect you if there are ever any questions from the IRS.
This is really helpful! I'm new to HOA tax filings and didn't realize that filing was required even with zero tax owed. Quick question - for the 60% exempt function income test, does that get calculated annually or is it something we need to track monthly? Our interest earnings might vary throughout the year depending on our account balance. Also, when you mention "basic HOA documentation," would a simple written agreement between my neighbor and I outlining our shared responsibilities and monthly contributions be sufficient, or do we need formal bylaws filed somewhere?
I'm dealing with a similar situation with my 83(b) election from last year, so this thread has been incredibly helpful! Reading through everyone's experiences gives me much more confidence that my photo documentation will be sufficient. One thing I wanted to add that might help others - if you're using a tax preparation software like TurboTax or TaxAct, make sure to save a copy of your completed tax return that shows the 83(b) election was included. Many of these programs will automatically generate a PDF of your entire filing, including any attached statements or elections. I also discovered that some companies will provide a letter confirming they received your copy of the 83(b) election if you ask HR or your equity administration team. While this isn't required by the IRS, having that extra documentation from your employer showing they have record of your timely election could be another helpful piece of evidence. For anyone still feeling anxious about this (like I was), remember that the 30-day deadline is what really matters to the IRS. Your photo proves you met that deadline, and that's the critical compliance requirement. The rest is just about having good documentation practices in case of questions later.
Great point about getting a confirmation letter from your company's HR or equity team! I hadn't thought about that but it makes perfect sense as additional backup documentation. Even though the IRS doesn't require it, having that paper trail from your employer could be really valuable if you ever need to reconstruct your filing timeline during an audit. Your advice about saving the complete tax return PDF is spot on too. I've seen situations where people kept the 83(b) election form but forgot to save proof that it was actually filed with their return that year. Having that complete filing package tied together really strengthens the documentation. It's also worth mentioning that if anyone is working with a tax professional, they should ask them to note in their files that an 83(b) election was made and include copies of all the supporting documentation. Tax preparers often keep detailed records that could serve as additional third-party verification of the timely filing if needed down the road.
As someone who went through a similar panic with lost 83(b) documentation, I can definitely relate to your stress! The good news is that you're in much better shape than you think. A clear photo of your certified mail receipt is absolutely acceptable proof for the IRS. I'd recommend creating a comprehensive documentation file that includes: - Your photo of the certified mail receipt - A screenshot of the USPS tracking information (grab this now before it expires) - A copy of your actual 83(b) election form - Your tax return showing the election was included that year - Any email confirmations or acknowledgments from your company The IRS follows a "reasonableness" standard for documentation, especially when taxpayers can show good faith compliance. Your photo demonstrates you filed within the 30-day window, which is the critical requirement they're concerned about. I'd also suggest writing a brief memo for your files explaining when and how you lost the original receipt. This kind of documentation shows you're being thorough and responsible, which goes a long way if questions ever arise. Don't stress too much about this - the substance of your compliance (timely filing) is solid, and your photo provides clear evidence of that. Just make sure to store multiple copies of all your documentation in different locations for safekeeping.
This is such a relief to read! I've been losing sleep over this situation, so hearing from someone who went through the same thing really helps calm my nerves. Your documentation checklist is exactly what I needed - I'm going to create that comprehensive file right away. I especially appreciate the tip about writing a memo explaining how I lost the receipt. That seems like such a simple thing but it shows I'm being proactive and transparent about the situation. I'm also going to reach out to my company's equity team to see if they can provide any written confirmation that they received my copy of the election. One question: when you mention storing multiple copies in different locations, do you think it's safe to keep digital copies in email or cloud storage, or should I focus more on physical backups? I want to make sure I'm being appropriately secure with this sensitive documentation. Thanks again for sharing your experience - it's exactly the kind of reassurance I needed to hear!
Has anyone used TurboTax to handle reporting a vacation home sale? I'm dealing with this exact situation now and wondering if I need to pay for a CPA or if the software can handle it properly.
I used TurboTax Premier last year for selling my cabin. It walked me through everything - basis adjustments, improvements, depreciation (I had rented it out occasionally). It was surprisingly thorough with good explanations. Just make sure you have all your records organized before you start.
Great question! Yes, you'll definitely owe capital gains tax on that $175,000 profit since it's a vacation home, not your primary residence. The good news is that since you've owned it for over a year, you'll pay the lower long-term capital gains rate (likely 15% or 20% depending on your income level). A few things that could help reduce your tax bill: - Document ALL improvements you've made over the 8 years (new appliances, flooring, roof repairs, deck additions, etc.) - these get added to your original $195k purchase price - Don't forget closing costs from when you bought it originally - You can deduct selling expenses like realtor commissions and closing costs from the sale Since you're planning to retire to Florida soon, the timing might actually work in your favor if your retirement income will be lower - that could potentially put you in the 15% capital gains bracket instead of 20%. Definitely worth running the numbers or consulting with a tax professional given the size of the gain!
This is really helpful advice! I'm curious about the improvement documentation - how detailed do the records need to be? I've definitely done upgrades over the years but I'm not sure I kept every single receipt. Will the IRS accept things like credit card statements showing purchases at Home Depot, or do they need actual itemized receipts for everything? Also, when you mention closing costs from the original purchase, does that include things like the home inspection and appraisal fees we paid back then? I think I might still have those documents somewhere in my files.
This is a really helpful discussion! As someone new to rental property ownership, I'm learning so much about these tax rules. I have a follow-up question about the timing aspect - if I decide to capitalize the cabinet replacement as a single improvement project, do I depreciate it over 27.5 years like the rest of the rental property, or is there a different depreciation schedule for kitchen improvements specifically? Also, I'm curious about partial improvements - what if I only replace the upper cabinets this year and plan to do the lower cabinets next year? Would that change how the de minimis rule applies, since they'd be separate projects in different tax years? Or would the IRS still view this as one coordinated kitchen renovation that I'm just spreading out over time?
Great questions! For depreciation, kitchen cabinet improvements are generally considered part of the building structure and would depreciate over 27.5 years along with the rest of your residential rental property. They're not considered separate personal property with a shorter depreciation period. Regarding your timing question about upper vs. lower cabinets - this is where it gets tricky. The IRS could potentially view this as a single coordinated improvement plan that you're implementing in phases, especially if you had the overall kitchen renovation in mind from the beginning. The fact that you're planning the lower cabinets for next year suggests this is one unified project. However, if there's a legitimate business reason for the timing (like cash flow constraints or tenant occupancy issues), and each phase can stand alone as a separate functional improvement, you might have a stronger argument for treating them separately. The key is whether each phase serves an independent function or if they're truly interdependent components of a single kitchen upgrade. I'd recommend documenting your business reasons for the phased approach and consulting with a tax professional who can review your specific circumstances.
This is exactly the kind of situation where many rental property owners get tripped up! You're right to be cautious about your interpretation - the IRS has specific guidance that prevents exactly what you're considering. The key issue is that when purchases are made as part of a single improvement project, the IRS looks at the economic substance of the transaction, not just how you structure the invoices. A complete kitchen cabinet replacement would almost certainly be viewed as one coordinated improvement to your property, regardless of whether you buy the cabinets on separate trips or invoices. What you're describing - deliberately splitting purchases to stay under the $2,500 threshold - could be seen as an abusive tax avoidance scheme. The IRS has the authority to recharacterize transactions that lack economic substance beyond tax benefits. For your $9,000 kitchen cabinet project, you'd likely need to capitalize the entire cost and depreciate it over 27.5 years as part of your rental property. The de minimis safe harbor is really intended for truly separate, unrelated purchases - like buying a new water heater one month and fixing a fence the next month. My recommendation would be to treat this as a single capital improvement. It's better to be conservative with these rules than to take an aggressive position that could trigger penalties in an audit.
This is really helpful advice! As someone just starting out with rental property taxes, I appreciate the clear explanation about economic substance vs. technical structure. It makes sense that the IRS would look beyond how you split up the invoices to what you're actually accomplishing with the project. I'm curious though - are there any legitimate ways to expense parts of a kitchen renovation project? For example, if I'm replacing cabinets but also doing some routine maintenance like fixing a leaky faucet or replacing worn cabinet handles, could those maintenance items be expensed separately since they're not part of the improvement itself? Also, when you mention this could be seen as "abusive tax avoidance" - what kind of penalties are we talking about if the IRS disagrees with how you've treated these expenses? I want to make sure I understand the real risks here.
Daniel White
I'm in a very similar situation and wanted to share what I've learned from calling the IRS directly. After reading through all these responses, I called the main IRS customer service line (1-800-829-1040) this morning and selected option 2 for personal income tax questions. The wait was about 45 minutes, but the representative was extremely helpful. Here's what she told me that might help others: 1. The online IP PIN tool has been having intermittent issues since late February due to system updates - it's not just you! 2. Mail delivery is currently running 6-7 weeks on average (she confirmed this matches what others are reporting here) 3. If you've been assigned an IP PIN in previous years, you MUST use it again this year - you can't file without it 4. They can expedite mail delivery in certain hardship situations, but you need to provide documentation The rep also mentioned something I hadn't seen discussed here - if you're married filing jointly and only one spouse has an IP PIN, you still need to include it on the joint return. Some people apparently miss this detail. For anyone still struggling with the online tool, she recommended trying exactly at 6 AM EST when they do their daily system refresh. Worth a shot while waiting for the mail delivery!
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Dylan Mitchell
β’@Daniel - Thank you so much for calling and sharing those details! That 6 AM EST tip is really specific and helpful - I'm definitely going to try that tomorrow morning. I had no idea about the system refresh timing. It's also reassuring to know that the online issues are widespread and not something I'm doing wrong on my end. The information about married filing jointly is really important too - I can see how people might miss that detail. Did the rep mention anything about whether there are specific days of the week that tend to have better success rates with the online tool, or is it mainly just about that early morning timing?
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Alicia Stern
I've been following this thread closely since I'm dealing with the same IP PIN issues, and I wanted to add a few things that might help based on my recent experience: First, I can confirm that the 6 AM EST system refresh tip actually works! I tried it yesterday morning after reading Daniel's post and was able to successfully access the IP PIN tool on my first attempt. The key seems to be logging in right at 6:00 AM - not 6:05 or 6:10, but exactly at the refresh time. Second, for those waiting on mail delivery, I received mine yesterday after exactly 6 weeks and 2 days from my initial request. This aligns with what others are reporting about the 6-7 week timeframe. One additional tip that helped me: if you're still having online issues, try using an incognito/private browsing window AND clearing your cookies specifically for irs.gov before attempting access. Sometimes the site stores corrupted session data that causes the "Something went wrong" error to persist even after clearing your general browser cache. For anyone approaching the April 15th deadline, definitely file that Form 4868 extension as a backup plan. It's free and gives you peace of mind while you wait for your PIN to arrive. You can always file your actual return early once you get the PIN, even if you've already filed the extension. The IRS systems are definitely struggling this year, but there are multiple paths to success if you stay persistent!
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Natasha Volkova
β’@Alicia - This is incredibly helpful information! I'm so glad the 6 AM trick worked for you. I've been struggling with this for weeks and was starting to lose hope. Quick question about the timing - when you say "exactly at 6:00 AM," did you already have the IRS website loaded and just hit refresh right at 6:00, or did you navigate to the site fresh at that time? Also, I'm curious about the incognito browser tip - did you need to do anything special with your login credentials when using private browsing, or does it work the same way as normal browsing once you clear those IRS cookies? I'm planning to try this tomorrow morning and want to make sure I get all the details right. Thanks for taking the time to share your successful experience - it's giving me renewed optimism that I can get this resolved without having to wait for the mail delivery!
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