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KaiEsmeralda

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This is a complex situation that really highlights the importance of understanding trust tax elections before making these transfers. One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is the potential for making a Section 645 election if your grandparents' trust qualifies. If this is a qualified revocable trust that became irrevocable upon your grandparents' death (or if they're still alive but incapacitated), the trustee might be able to elect to treat the trust as part of the estate for income tax purposes during the first two years. This could potentially preserve access to certain individual tax benefits. Also, even if the trust doesn't qualify for the capital gains exclusion, don't forget that trusts get their own capital gains tax brackets. The rates can be quite high (up to 20% plus the 3.8% net investment income tax), but proper timing of the sale and potentially distributing some gains to beneficiaries in lower tax brackets could help minimize the overall tax impact. I'd strongly recommend getting a comprehensive analysis from a tax professional who specializes in trust taxation before proceeding with the sale. The potential tax savings from getting this right could easily justify the consultation cost.

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Cynthia Love

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This is really helpful information about the Section 645 election! I hadn't heard of that option before. Just to clarify - would this election only be available if the grandparents have passed away or become incapacitated, or could it potentially apply to a living trust that was made irrevocable for other reasons (like Medicaid planning)? Also, when you mention distributing gains to beneficiaries in lower tax brackets, how does that work practically? Would the trust need to actually distribute cash to them, or can it just allocate the tax burden without distributing the proceeds from the sale?

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Great point about the Section 645 election! To clarify - the Section 645 election is specifically for qualified revocable trusts (QRTs) that become irrevocable due to the grantor's death or incapacity. It wouldn't apply to a trust that was made irrevocable for Medicaid planning or other reasons while the grantor is still alive and competent. Regarding distributing gains to beneficiaries - this works through the trust's distributable net income (DNI) rules. When a trust distributes income (including capital gains if the trust document permits or requires their distribution), the tax burden generally passes through to the beneficiaries at their individual tax rates rather than being taxed at the trust's compressed brackets. The distribution doesn't have to be cash from the actual sale proceeds - it could be other trust assets of equivalent value. However, the trust document needs to specifically allow for capital gains to be included in distributable income, as many trusts require capital gains to be retained and allocated to principal rather than income. This is definitely an area where the specific language in the trust document matters enormously, and proper tax planning before the sale could make a huge difference in the overall tax burden.

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Harmony Love

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This thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm dealing with a similar situation with my elderly parents who put their home in an irrevocable trust about 5 years ago. Based on what I'm reading here, it sounds like the key is determining whether their trust maintains grantor trust status. From the discussion, it seems like there are a few good options for getting clarity: consulting with the original estate planning attorney, using services like taxr.ai for professional analysis, or even getting through to the IRS directly (though that last one sounds challenging without help like Claimyr). One question I have - if the trust IS determined to be a grantor trust and they can claim the exclusion, do they report the sale on their personal tax return (Form 1040) or does it still need to go through the trust's return? I want to make sure we handle the reporting correctly to avoid any red flags with the IRS. Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences - this is exactly the kind of real-world insight that's hard to find elsewhere!

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StarSeeker

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Has anyone used TurboTax to figure this out? I'm in a similar situation and wondering if the software will help determine what "year" I'm in or if I need to figure it out myself beforehand.

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TurboTax asks a series of questions about your education but doesn't really analyze your transcript or anything. Basically you have to already know what "year" you're in before you start. It asks if you've completed the first 4 years of post-secondary education and you just have to say yes or no.

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Tate Jensen

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This is such a common confusion! I went through the exact same thing a few years ago. The key thing to understand is that the IRS doesn't care about how many calendar years you've been taking classes - they care about your academic progress. Since you mentioned you've never claimed education credits before and have been taking classes "here and there" without a formal degree program, you're likely still eligible for the American Opportunity Credit if you haven't completed the equivalent of 4 academic years (roughly 120 semester credits). I'd recommend getting a transcript from your community college that shows your total completed credits. Then you can use the rough guideline: 0-30 credits = 1st year, 31-60 = 2nd year, 61-90 = 3rd year, 91-120 = 4th year. Even if you've been taking classes for 6+ calendar years, if you're only at 60 credits, you'd be considered in your 2nd year for tax purposes. The American Opportunity Credit is worth up to $2,500 per year and is partially refundable, so it's definitely worth figuring out if you qualify rather than defaulting to the Lifetime Learning Credit!

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This is really helpful! I'm actually in a similar situation to the original poster - I've been taking classes part-time at community college for about 4 years but only have around 45 credits total. Based on what you're saying, I'd be considered in my second year for tax purposes, which means I should still qualify for the American Opportunity Credit rather than just the Lifetime Learning Credit. I had no idea the IRS looked at academic progress rather than calendar years - I thought I was automatically disqualified after being in school for more than 4 years. Thanks for breaking down those credit hour ranges so clearly!

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I tried TurboTax's import feature last year and it was kinda hit or miss. Got my main W2 from my full-time job but completely failed to import anything from my side gig. My bank's 1099-INT imported fine but Robinhood's forms didn't. Just don't go in expecting it to import everything automatically. You'll probably still need to enter some stuff manually. And ALWAYS double-check the imported values against your paper forms. I caught a few errors last year where the imported numbers didn't match my actual documents.

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Dyllan Nantx

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Is there any way to know in advance which institutions are supported for the import?

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TurboTax has a list on their website of supported financial institutions for direct import, but it's not always up to date. You can also check during the filing process - when you get to the import section, it'll show you which of your institutions are available before you try to connect. Generally the big players like Chase, Bank of America, Fidelity, Schwab are supported, but smaller credit unions or newer fintech companies might not be. For employers, most major payroll systems like ADP, Paychex, and Workday work, but smaller regional payroll companies often don't participate.

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Great question! As someone who just went through this process myself, I can confirm that TurboTax's import feature is pretty solid but definitely not perfect. Since you mentioned ADP specifically - you're in luck! ADP is one of the major payroll providers that works well with TurboTax's direct import. You'll need your ADP login credentials, and the W2 should import automatically once it's available (usually by late January). For Fidelity, they're also well-supported for importing 1099s. Your investment income forms should come through without issues. The student loan interest (1098-E) import depends on your loan servicer - the big ones like Navient, Nelnet, and Great Lakes typically work fine. One tip: even when everything imports correctly, definitely review all the numbers against your paper/PDF copies. I caught a small error in my imported 1099-DIV last year that would have cost me a few hundred dollars in incorrect taxes. Also, if some forms don't import, don't panic! The manual entry in TurboTax is pretty straightforward and walks you through each field. Good luck with your first solo tax filing!

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Property Tax Dilemma: Pay Old Taxes or Wait for New Tax Bill?

Hey folks, I'm pretty confused about navigating property taxes and could use some advice. I've recently taken over handling my parents-in-law's finances and discovered something concerning. Turns out my father-in-law hasn't been paying their property taxes since 2019, and their HELOC (Home Equity Line of Credit) has been covering these payments instead. The bank has essentially been paying the property taxes on their behalf all this time. We've finally gotten a handle on their finances after sorting through various unpaid bills and errors, but now I'm unsure about the best approach for their property taxes. Should I start paying the backed-up 2024 taxes that already have interest accruing, or wait for the 2025 taxes to be posted? Currently, I have enough saved to cover January and February 2025 payments, but their annual property taxes are around $13,500, so it's definitely not a small amount! If I start paying the 2024 taxes now, I feel like I'll always be playing catch-up. From what I've observed, it takes the town approximately 6-7 months to request property tax payments from the bank. Would it make more sense to: 1. Save the money, let the bank pay the remainder of 2024 taxes through the HELOC, then pay the entire 2025 taxes directly to the town when they're due? 2. Start paying whatever's left of the 2024 taxes now, even though I'll be behind and paying interest? I have zero experience with how property taxes work and what approach would be most financially beneficial for them. Any advice would be hugely appreciated!

Has anyone mentioned the tax implications? When property taxes are paid through a HELOC, they're not automatically deductible on income taxes like they might be if paid directly. You have to itemize the HELOC interest correctly. Make sure whoever does their taxes knows about this situation!

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NebulaNinja

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This is actually a really important point. The Tax Cuts and Jobs Act changed how HELOC interest deductions work. Now HELOC interest is only deductible if the loan was used for buying, building or substantially improving the home. Since these HELOC funds were used to pay property taxes, that interest might not be deductible at all.

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I've been through something very similar with my elderly parents, and I'd definitely recommend breaking the HELOC cycle now rather than later. Here's what worked for us: First, contact your town's tax collector office directly to get the exact balance owed for 2024 and ask about payment plan options. Many municipalities offer interest-free payment plans for seniors or families dealing with financial hardship - this could save you hundreds in penalties. Second, definitely look into all the senior exemptions others have mentioned. Beyond veteran benefits, many states have "circuit breaker" programs that limit property tax increases for seniors on fixed incomes. Some also offer deferrals that let seniors delay tax payments until the property is sold. The key insight I learned: every month you let the HELOC handle this, you're paying compound interest (HELOC rate on the tax amount plus any municipal penalties). We calculated we were losing about $200/month by not addressing it directly. I'd suggest calling the tax office first thing Monday morning - in my experience, they're actually quite helpful when you explain you're managing elderly parents' finances and want to get caught up. They may even waive some penalties if you show good faith by setting up a payment plan.

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Oliver Cheng

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This is really helpful advice! I'm curious about the "circuit breaker" programs you mentioned - is that something that varies by state or do most places have them? And when you contacted your tax office, did they require any specific documentation to prove the financial hardship situation? I'm wondering if there's a standard process for these conversations or if it's more informal. My in-laws are pretty private about their finances and I want to make sure I have everything ready before making that call so I don't waste anyone's time.

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Another factor that could explain the difference is if you have student loan interest deductions. If you're paying student loans and she isn't, you can deduct up to $2,500 in student loan interest, which would reduce your taxable income and potentially explain part of that $1,350 refund difference. Also worth checking if either of you contributed to a traditional IRA during the tax year - that's another above-the-line deduction that reduces taxable income. Even a $1,000 IRA contribution could create a meaningful difference in your final tax liability compared to someone who didn't contribute.

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That's a great point about student loans! I do pay about $180/month in student loan interest, so that deduction probably helps. I hadn't thought about IRA contributions either - I should look into that for next year. It's interesting how all these little differences add up to create such a big gap in our refunds even though our base salaries are so similar.

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Liam O'Connor

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This is a really common situation that confuses a lot of people! The key thing to understand is that a refund isn't necessarily "good" - it just means you overpaid your taxes throughout the year. Your coworker who owes $15 actually had her withholding dialed in almost perfectly. Looking at all the responses here, it's likely a combination of factors: your 401k contributions (which reduce taxable income), different health insurance situations, student loan interest deductions, and possibly different W-4 setups. The 8% 401k contribution you mentioned is probably the biggest factor - that's over $5,000 less in taxable income compared to your coworker. If you want to get more money in your paychecks instead of waiting for a big refund, consider updating your W-4 to account for these deductions. The IRS withholding calculator can help you figure out the right amount to have withheld so you break even (or close to it) next year.

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This is such a helpful breakdown! I'm new to understanding taxes beyond just filing them, and this thread has been really eye-opening. It sounds like the original poster (@Victoria Jones is) actually in a pretty good financial position with the 401k contributions and student loan payments, even if it means a bigger refund. I m'curious though - when people talk about updating the W-4 to get the withholding right, "is" there a risk of accidentally owing a lot at tax time if you miscalculate? I d'rather get a refund than have to come up with a big payment in April, but I also see the point about getting more money throughout the year.

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