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CosmicCaptain

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I've been following this discussion and wanted to address the audit question since I went through this exact situation two years ago with my husband's medical expenses. From what my tax professional told me, medical expense deductions don't automatically trigger audits, but they do increase your audit risk if they're disproportionately large compared to your income. In our case, the medical expenses exceeded our AGI, and we did get selected for examination. However, because we had meticulously documented everything - direct payments to providers, receipts, insurance statements, and detailed support calculations - the audit went smoothly. The IRS examiner was actually quite reasonable and seemed to appreciate that we had organized everything clearly. She mainly wanted to verify that we had actually paid the expenses (not reimbursed our family member) and that we could substantiate the support test calculations. One thing that helped tremendously was having a summary sheet that showed our total payments by category with supporting documentation attached. The examiner spent maybe 30 minutes reviewing everything and accepted our deductions without any adjustments. To answer the earlier question about payment methods - credit card, check, or phone payments all work equally well as long as the payment comes directly from your account to the provider. The key is having clear documentation showing YOU made the payment, not your daughter. The stress of potentially being audited was honestly worse than the actual audit itself. If you keep good records and follow the rules correctly, these deductions are completely legitimate and the IRS recognizes that families often have to support adult children with medical needs.

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This is really reassuring to hear from someone who actually went through the audit process! The fact that it went smoothly with proper documentation gives me a lot more confidence about moving forward with these deductions. Your point about having a summary sheet organized by category is excellent - I'm definitely going to create something similar. It sounds like the key is making it as easy as possible for the examiner to verify everything quickly rather than having them dig through piles of individual receipts. I'm curious about one detail from your experience - when you said the medical expenses "exceeded your AGI," were you still able to deduct the full amount that exceeded the 7.5% threshold, or are there additional limitations when the expenses are that large relative to your income? I'm asking because our situation is similar where the medical costs have been more than our retirement income for the year. Also, did the examiner ask for any specific documentation beyond the payment records and support calculations? I want to make sure I'm not missing anything that might be important to keep organized from the start.

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Oliver Weber

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I wanted to add some perspective as someone who works in tax preparation and has seen many cases like yours. The good news is that the medical expense deduction for non-dependents who fail only the income test is a well-established provision, though it's often overlooked. A few additional points that might help: 1. **Income timing consideration**: Since your daughter made $13,500 in 2024, if there's any possibility of her reducing her 2024 income below $4,850 (maybe through retirement plan contributions if she's eligible, or by deferring some year-end income to 2025), she could actually qualify as your dependent, which would make the medical expense deduction much more straightforward. 2. **State tax implications**: Don't forget to check your state's rules - some states have different thresholds for medical expense deductions or may not conform to the federal rules about non-dependent medical expenses. This could affect your overall tax benefit. 3. **Estimated tax considerations**: If these deductions are going to significantly reduce your tax liability, you might want to adjust your estimated tax payments for 2025 to avoid overpaying throughout the year. The key documentation the IRS typically wants to see includes: direct payment records to providers, insurance EOBs showing what wasn't covered, a statement from your daughter that she's not claiming these expenses on her return, and detailed support calculations showing you provided more than 50% of her total support. Given the complexity and amounts involved, I'd strongly recommend having a tax professional review your situation before filing. The rules are nuanced and the stakes are high enough that professional guidance could save you significant money and stress.

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Tate Jensen

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This is incredibly comprehensive advice! The income timing consideration is something I hadn't thought about at all. My daughter does have a part-time job with a 401(k) option that she hasn't been using - I wonder if maximizing her contribution for 2024 could potentially bring her income below that $4,850 threshold. That would definitely simplify things significantly if she could actually qualify as our dependent. The state tax implications point is also really important. We're in California, and I honestly haven't even looked into how their rules might differ from federal. I'll need to research that since California doesn't always conform to federal tax changes. Your documentation checklist is super helpful - especially the part about getting a statement from our daughter that she won't claim these expenses. Is there a specific format that statement should follow, or is a simple written declaration sufficient? One follow-up question about the estimated tax payments - if we're expecting a large medical expense deduction to significantly reduce our tax liability, should we be reducing our quarterly payments now for 2024, or is it safer to wait until we file and get a refund? Given that we're funding these expenses from retirement account withdrawals that are increasing our income, I'm not sure which direction our overall tax liability will end up going. @0d457455daaa Thank you for the professional perspective - it's exactly the kind of guidance we need for this complex situation!

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Ravi Sharma

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I just went through this exact same situation with my part-time weekend job at a local restaurant! Made about $1,800 over four months with zero federal withholding, and I was really confused at first. What I learned is that your employer's payroll system is actually working correctly - it's just calculating withholding based only on what you earn at that specific job. Since your $2,100 annually is below the standard deduction threshold, their system determines you wouldn't owe federal income tax on just that income alone. That's why you're still seeing FICA taxes (Social Security and Medicare) being deducted - those apply from the first dollar earned. The issue is that when you combine your part-time earnings with your full-time job income, you'll likely end up owing more in taxes than what's currently being withheld from just your main job. I used the IRS Tax Withholding Estimator on their website (it's completely free) and it was actually really straightforward. It takes all your income sources into account and tells you exactly how much additional withholding you need. Based on the results, I ended up requesting an extra $20 per paycheck be withheld from my main job rather than trying to coordinate W-4 changes at both employers. The whole process took maybe 15 minutes and gave me total peace of mind knowing I won't get hit with a surprise tax bill. Definitely worth doing sooner rather than later!

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This is incredibly helpful, thank you for sharing your experience! I'm in almost the exact same situation - part-time job earning about $2,000 with zero federal withholding while having a full-time job as well. Your explanation about the payroll systems working independently really cleared things up for me. I was starting to worry that I had messed something up on my paperwork, but now I understand it's just how the system is designed to calculate withholding for each job separately. The IRS Tax Withholding Estimator sounds like exactly what I need. I like your approach of having the extra amount withheld from your main job rather than trying to coordinate changes at both places - that definitely seems simpler. Did you find the estimator easy to navigate? I'm a bit nervous about making sure I enter all the information correctly. Really appreciate you taking the time to break this down so clearly. It's reassuring to know this is a common situation with a straightforward solution!

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Jean Claude

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This is such a helpful discussion! I'm actually dealing with this exact same issue right now with my part-time job at a local bookstore. I've been working there since September and just realized they haven't withheld any federal taxes from my roughly $1,900 in earnings, even though I have a full-time job elsewhere. Reading through everyone's experiences really helped me understand that this isn't actually an error - the payroll system at my bookstore is correctly calculating that I wouldn't owe federal taxes on just that income alone since it's below the standard deduction threshold. The problem is obviously that it doesn't account for my combined income from both jobs. I'm definitely going to use the IRS Tax Withholding Estimator this week to figure out how much additional withholding I need. The suggestion that several people made about just having extra withheld from my main job rather than trying to coordinate W-4 changes at both employers sounds like the most practical approach. It's really reassuring to see how many others have successfully navigated this situation. Thanks to everyone for sharing their experiences and solutions - it's turned what seemed like a scary problem into something totally manageable!

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Jamal Carter

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Has your mom checked whether a "tax-free liquidation" under Section 337 might be possible? It's complicated but can sometimes allow for liquidation without recognizing gains. Also, don't forget to look into "step-up in basis" rules since the assets were inherited - this might significantly reduce any potential tax impact on sale.

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Mei Liu

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I don't think Section 337 applies anymore except in very limited cases after the 1986 tax changes. Most business liquidations are taxable events now. But the step-up in basis point is super important! That alone could save thousands in taxes.

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Carmen Diaz

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I'm so sorry for your loss. Closing a business after a death is incredibly overwhelming, especially when you're still grieving. One important thing to consider is the timing of everything. Your mom has inherited these business assets with what's called a "stepped-up basis" - meaning their tax basis is reset to fair market value as of your dad's date of death. This can actually save a lot in capital gains taxes compared to what your dad would have owed if he had sold them while alive. Before making any major decisions about selling assets to family members, I'd strongly recommend having your mom meet with both an estate attorney AND a tax professional who specializes in business closures. The accountant's confusing explanation might be because there are several different tax strategies that could apply depending on how the business was structured (sole proprietorship vs. LLC vs. corporation) and the total value of assets involved. Also, your mom doesn't necessarily have to rush this process unless there are pressing debts or lease obligations. Taking time to properly value everything and find legitimate buyers at fair market prices will likely result in better outcomes than quick sales at below-market rates. The inventory and equipment in those shipping containers might be worth more than you think, and rushing to liquidate could leave money on the table that your family deserves.

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This is really helpful advice, especially about the stepped-up basis - I had no idea that could save on taxes. Carmen, when you mention meeting with specialists, roughly how much should we expect to pay for consultations with an estate attorney and tax professional? My mom is worried about spending too much on professional fees when the business might not be worth that much to begin with. Also, are there any red flags we should watch out for when choosing these professionals to make sure they actually have experience with business closures after death?

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Luca Ricci

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I've been following this discussion with interest as someone who works in tax compliance. A few key points to consider: The IRS has been fairly consistent in their position that gambling losses, even for content creators, remain subject to the traditional limitations under Section 165(d). The critical test is whether the primary purpose of the activity is profit from gambling itself versus profit from creating content about gambling. However, there are some legitimate business deductions you might be overlooking: - Equipment costs (cameras, editing software, etc.) - A portion of your home office if used exclusively for content creation - Internet and phone costs related to your business - Professional development (courses on content marketing, etc.) - Banking fees for your business accounts The tricky part is documenting that your betting activity serves a legitimate business purpose beyond just the potential to win money. If you can show that you're placing specific bets solely to demonstrate strategies or create educational content (and you document this thoroughly), you might have a stronger case for some deductions. I'd strongly recommend consulting with a tax professional who has experience with content creators and gambling-related businesses. The penalties for misclassifying gambling losses as business expenses can be significant.

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Paolo Conti

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This is really helpful perspective from someone in tax compliance. I'm curious about the documentation aspect you mentioned - what would "thorough documentation" actually look like in practice? Like would screenshots of the content creation process be enough, or does the IRS expect more formal documentation? Also, when you mention penalties for misclassifying gambling losses as business expenses, are we talking about just paying back taxes plus interest, or could there be fraud penalties involved? I want to make sure I understand the potential downside before I make any decisions about how to handle this on my return.

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Kaylee Cook

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Great question about documentation! From what I've seen in practice, thorough documentation would include: - Timestamped records showing when bets were placed specifically for content creation - Screenshots/videos of the actual content creation process - Business calendar entries showing planned content around specific bets - Separate accounting for "content bets" vs any personal gambling - Written business plan outlining how betting fits into your content strategy Regarding penalties - if the IRS views it as an honest mistake in interpretation of tax law, you'd typically face accuracy-related penalties (20% of the underpayment) plus interest. However, if they determine there was intentional disregard of rules or fraud, penalties can be much steeper (75% of underpayment for fraud). The key is showing good faith effort to comply. Keep detailed records, consider getting a professional opinion letter from a tax attorney or CPA, and be conservative in your approach. The IRS is generally more lenient when they can see you made a genuine attempt to follow the rules, even if you interpreted them incorrectly. Given the gray area nature of this issue, I'd really emphasize getting professional guidance rather than going it alone.

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Yara Elias

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This is a fascinating case that highlights how the tax code hasn't fully caught up with modern content creation business models. While I understand the frustration with the traditional gambling loss limitations, there might be a middle-ground approach worth exploring. Consider documenting a clear separation between "demonstration bets" and any personal gambling. For the bets you place specifically for subscriber content, you could: 1. Use a dedicated business account/card for these transactions 2. Create content BEFORE placing the bet (showing your analysis process) 3. Never cash out winnings from these demonstration bets - instead, use them for additional content 4. Maintain detailed records showing the direct connection between specific bets and specific content pieces While the actual wagered amounts would still likely be treated as gambling activity, this approach could strengthen your position for other related expenses like research time, analysis tools, and the business costs of maintaining separate accounts for content creation. The key is showing the IRS that these aren't just bets you're placing anyway and then creating content about - they're bets placed solely as part of your content creation process with no personal profit motive from the gambling itself. I'd also suggest reaching out to other gambling content creators to see how they've handled this. There might be some informal best practices emerging in your industry that could provide guidance.

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Oliver Weber

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This is excellent advice about creating that clear separation. I'm actually new to this whole situation but I've been thinking about starting a similar content business around sports betting predictions. Your point about never cashing out the winnings from demonstration bets is really smart - it shows the IRS that you're not gambling for personal profit but truly using it as a business tool. One question though - if you never cash out the winnings, how do you handle that on your taxes? Do those unclaimed winnings still count as gambling income that you have to report? And would the platforms still send you a 1099 for money you never withdrew? I'm trying to understand all the implications before I potentially get myself into a complicated tax situation. The documentation approach you outlined seems like it would create a really strong paper trail to show business intent versus personal gambling.

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ShadowHunter

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Tell your coworker to google "IRS frivolous tax arguments" and look at the official IRS website. They literally have a whole section dedicated to debunking these exact schemes and warning about the $5,000 penalty for submitting these arguments. Also search for "tax protester cases" to see how many people have gone to PRISON for this stuff!

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My tax professor in college showed us cases where people got 3-5 years in federal prison for promoting these schemes! And those were just the people SELLING the idea, not even the ones following it. Scary stuff.

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Summer Green

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Your instincts are spot on - this is absolutely a scam and your coworker is playing with fire. I work in tax compliance and see the aftermath of these schemes regularly. The "Revocation of Election" is complete nonsense with no legal basis whatsoever. The scary thing is that people can get away with it for a few years, which makes them think they're safe. But the IRS has up to 6 years (or indefinitely in cases of fraud/non-filing) to come after you. When they do, it's devastating - we're talking about accumulated interest, failure-to-file penalties, failure-to-pay penalties, plus that $5,000 frivolous filing penalty for each year. I've seen cases where someone owed $15K in actual taxes but ended up owing over $60K after penalties and interest. Your coworker needs to get back into compliance immediately before this gets worse. The longer he waits, the more expensive this mistake becomes.

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Ethan Scott

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This is exactly what I needed to hear! I've been trying to figure out how to approach my coworker about this without coming across as preachy. The numbers you mentioned really put it in perspective - turning a $15K tax bill into $60K+ is absolutely insane. Do you think there's any hope for someone to get penalties reduced if they voluntarily come forward before the IRS catches them? Or is he basically stuck with whatever massive bill has been accumulating? I'm hoping if I can show him there might be some way to minimize the damage by acting now, he might actually listen.

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