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This thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm in a similar situation with Energy Transfer and have been struggling with the same confusion about whether to enter the partnerships separately or combined. One thing I wanted to add that might help others - I found that keeping a simple Excel spreadsheet with columns for each tax year has made tracking my basis much easier. I have columns for: Starting Basis, Box 19A (return of capital), Taxable Income Allocated, and Ending Basis. It takes a few minutes each year but saves hours of reconstruction later. For anyone still confused about the partnership breakdown, I called Energy Transfer's investor relations line (1-800-248-4536) last year and they were actually pretty helpful in explaining how their K-1 structure works. They confirmed that yes, you should enter each entity separately using the breakdown information, not the combined totals. The representative also mentioned that they've been working on making their K-1 forms clearer because they get a lot of calls about this exact confusion. Hopefully future years will be less confusing for all of us!
Thanks for sharing that investor relations phone number! I had no idea Energy Transfer had a dedicated line for K-1 questions. That's incredibly useful information. Your Excel spreadsheet approach for tracking basis is brilliant - I've been trying to do it all in my head each year and it's been a disaster. Could you share what specific items from the K-1 you track in each column? I want to make sure I'm capturing all the right adjustments. Also, it's encouraging to hear that ET is working on making their K-1s clearer. The complexity has definitely been the most frustrating part of owning MLP units, even though the distributions are nice. Hopefully other MLPs will follow their lead and make these forms more user-friendly for individual investors. This whole thread has given me so much more confidence about handling my ET K-1 correctly this year. Really appreciate everyone sharing their experiences and solutions!
As a tax professional who deals with MLP K-1s regularly, I want to emphasize a few critical points that haven't been fully covered: First, regarding the Energy Transfer structure - you're absolutely correct to enter ET, USAC, and SUN as separate partnerships. However, make sure you're allocating the income and deductions proportionally based on ET's ownership percentages in each subsidiary, not just copying the breakdown amounts directly. Second, be extremely careful with passive activity loss rules. Energy Transfer activities are generally considered passive for individual investors, which means any losses can only offset other passive income or be carried forward. This is particularly important if you have losses from any of the three entities. Third, for state tax purposes, you may need to file returns in multiple states where these partnerships conduct business. Energy Transfer operates across many states, and some states require non-resident returns even for small amounts of income allocation. Finally, I strongly recommend keeping detailed records of all your MLP investments beyond just basis tracking. The IRS has been increasing scrutiny of MLP reporting, and having comprehensive documentation is essential if you're ever audited. The complexity is real, but with proper attention to detail, MLP investments can be very tax-efficient over the long term.
Thank you for this professional perspective! This is exactly the kind of detailed guidance I was hoping to find. I have a few follow-up questions if you don't mind: Regarding the proportional allocation you mentioned - where on the Energy Transfer K-1 can I find ET's ownership percentages in USAC and SUN? I've been looking at the breakdown page but I don't see specific ownership percentages listed, just the dollar amounts for each entity. Also, you mentioned state filing requirements - this is something I hadn't even considered! With only 50 units of ET, am I likely to trigger filing requirements in multiple states? Is there typically a minimum threshold before states require non-resident returns for MLP income? The passive activity loss rules are particularly concerning since I don't have other passive income. If I do have losses from any of the three entities, should I be tracking those separately for each partnership or can they be combined when applying the passive loss limitations? I really appreciate you taking the time to share your professional expertise - this level of detail is incredibly valuable for someone trying to get this right!
Before u switch make sure ur looking at the RIGHT prior year AGI. Its gotta be from the ACTUAL return u filed last year not what u put in turbotax this year
Check your 2023 tax return (the actual filed copy, not what's in TurboTax) for line 11 - that's your AGI from last year. The IRS is super picky about this matching exactly, down to the dollar. If you amended your 2023 return or there were any IRS adjustments after filing, you'd need to use the adjusted AGI amount instead. You can get your actual filed AGI from your tax transcript on the IRS website if you're not sure.
This is exactly right! I had the same issue last year - turns out the IRS had made a small adjustment to my return after I filed it, so my actual AGI was different than what I originally filed. Definitely check your transcript first before switching services. Could save you a lot of time!
This is such a helpful thread! I've been playing social casino games for about two years and had no idea about the tax implications. I probably made around $400 last year from various apps but never thought to report it since I didn't get any tax forms. Reading through all these responses, it sounds like I need to go back and figure out exactly how much I made and report it as "Other Income" on my return. One question though - for those apps where you can only cash out to gift cards (not actual cash), does that still count as taxable income? I have probably another $200-300 in various gift cards I've redeemed from gaming apps over the year. Also, if I bought coin packages but never cashed anything out from a particular game, I assume there's no income to report from that one, right? Thanks everyone for sharing your experiences - this community is so much more helpful than trying to navigate the IRS website!
Welcome to the community! Yes, gift cards absolutely count as taxable income - the IRS treats them the same as cash since they have monetary value. So that additional $200-300 in gift cards should also be reported as "Other Income." You're correct about the coin packages where you never cashed out - if there was no conversion to real money or gift cards, there's no taxable event to report. Only when you actually receive something of value (cash, gift cards, etc.) does it become taxable income. For tracking everything, I'd recommend going through your email receipts and bank/PayPal statements to get the exact amounts. Most of these apps send confirmation emails when you redeem rewards, which makes it easier to total everything up. The good news is that even if you're a bit off on the exact amount, the IRS is generally reasonable about good-faith efforts to report income accurately, especially for these smaller amounts.
This is exactly the kind of situation I dealt with last year! I was playing multiple social casino apps and had small cashouts throughout the year that totaled around $650. What really helped me was creating a simple spreadsheet to track everything - date, app name, amount cashed out, and method (PayPal, gift card, etc.). One thing I learned that might help others here: keep screenshots of your cashout confirmations if possible. Some of these apps don't keep great records on their end, and if you ever need to verify your reported income, having those screenshots can be really valuable. Also, don't forget to check smaller apps - I almost missed about $80 from a word game app that let me cash out to Amazon gift cards. For the loss deduction question, remember you can only deduct losses if you itemize, and only up to the amount of your winnings. So if you won $800 but spent $1,200 on coin packages, you can only deduct $800 in losses. Make sure the math actually works out in your favor before choosing to itemize instead of taking the standard deduction!
This spreadsheet approach is brilliant! I wish I had thought of that earlier. Quick question - for the loss deductions, do you need receipts for every single coin package purchase, or would bank/credit card statements showing the charges to the gaming companies be sufficient? I'm worried I might not have saved every individual purchase confirmation email, but my credit card statements clearly show all the charges to these apps throughout the year. Also, has anyone figured out how to handle those "bonus" coins you sometimes get when you make purchases? Like when you buy a $10 coin package but they give you an extra $5 worth of coins as a promotion. Do those bonus coins factor into the loss calculation somehow?
This has been such an incredibly thorough and helpful discussion! As someone who's been following along and taking notes, I wanted to add one more consideration that I haven't seen mentioned yet. If you're planning to do this transfer and major renovation, make sure to check if your area has any historic preservation restrictions or neighborhood covenants that could affect your renovation plans. I learned this the hard way when we tried to do major updates to my family's older home and discovered it was in a historic district with strict requirements about materials and design changes. Even if the property isn't formally historic, some neighborhoods have HOA covenants or city ordinances that could limit your renovation options or require special approvals. It's better to know about these restrictions before you transfer ownership and start planning the gut renovation. Also, with all the great advice about documentation that everyone has shared, consider setting up a dedicated cloud storage folder for all the transfer and renovation documents. Between property records, tax forms, contractor agreements, receipts, photos, and permits, you'll accumulate a massive amount of paperwork. Having everything organized digitally from the start will save you huge headaches later, especially if the IRS ever has questions or when you eventually sell the property. The trust option really does seem like the smartest approach for your situation based on everything discussed here. It addresses the authority issues for renovations, protects your dad's living situation, and provides clear legal structure for the eventual inheritance/sale process. Best of luck with this project - your dad is fortunate to have family members who are putting so much thought and care into handling this properly!
This is such excellent advice about checking for historic preservation restrictions and neighborhood covenants! I'm completely new to property ownership and renovations, so this is exactly the kind of thing I would have overlooked until it became a major problem. The point about setting up dedicated cloud storage for all the documentation is brilliant too. With everything everyone has mentioned - tax forms, receipts, photos, permits, contractor agreements - it really could become overwhelming quickly without good organization from the start. Having it all digital and searchable would definitely save headaches down the road. I'm really leaning toward the trust option after reading through all these responses. It seems like it addresses most of the concerns people have raised while giving clear authority for renovation decisions and protecting everyone's interests. The family meeting suggestion to document expectations in writing also seems crucial - even though we all get along well, having everything clear upfront could prevent so many potential conflicts later. This whole discussion has been incredibly eye-opening. I came in thinking this would be a relatively straightforward property transfer, but now I realize there are so many layers to consider - from tax implications to insurance updates to contractor coordination to historic restrictions. I'm definitely going to take the advice about consulting with an estate planning attorney who understands tax implications rather than trying to piece together different professionals. Thank you to everyone who has shared their experiences and expertise. This community discussion has been more valuable than anything I could have found just researching online by myself!
This has been an absolutely incredible thread to follow! As someone completely new to property transfers and family estate planning, I've learned more from this discussion than from hours of trying to research this stuff online. The progression from basic gift tax questions to all the nuanced considerations - insurance updates, contractor coordination, historic restrictions, utility transfers, Medicaid planning - really shows how complex these seemingly simple family transactions can be. I'm particularly struck by how many people mentioned unexpected costs and complications they wish they'd known about upfront. The consensus seems to be pointing toward the trust option as potentially the best approach for situations like this, especially with the added complexity of major renovations and a parent continuing to live in the property. The fact that it provides clear legal authority for renovation decisions while protecting everyone's interests really appeals to me. I'm also taking notes on the professional help recommendations. It sounds like finding an estate planning attorney who really understands both the legal and tax implications is worth the investment, rather than trying to coordinate multiple professionals who might not communicate well with each other. One thing I'm curious about - for those who went the trust route, did you find that contractors and service providers were comfortable working with trustees, or did you run into any complications with that arrangement? I want to make sure we don't create any unnecessary hurdles for the actual renovation process. Thanks to everyone for sharing such detailed, real-world experiences. This is exactly the kind of practical wisdom you can't get from government websites or generic legal advice!
As someone who's been lurking and learning from this amazing discussion, I wanted to jump in with my perspective as a newcomer to property transfers too! Reading through all these responses has been like getting a masterclass in family property planning. I'm particularly grateful for all the real-world examples people have shared - the insurance claim denial, the lost senior utility discounts, the contractor authority issues. These are exactly the kinds of pitfalls you'd never think about until they happen. The trust approach really does seem compelling after seeing everyone's analysis. What strikes me most is how it seems to solve multiple problems at once - giving clear renovation authority, protecting your dad's living situation, avoiding immediate tax complications, and creating a clean structure for the eventual inheritance process. I'm also taking mental notes about the documentation advice. The idea of creating a comprehensive digital archive from day one seems so smart, especially with a major gut renovation generating potentially hundreds of receipts and documents. One question for those who've been through similar processes - did you find it helpful to have a family meeting before consulting with attorneys/professionals, or is it better to get some preliminary professional advice first to understand your options before involving all family members in detailed discussions? I'm trying to figure out the optimal sequence for approaching this type of complex family decision. Thank you to everyone for making this such an educational thread. It's exactly what makes online communities valuable!
Nathan Kim
Has anyone considered that the type of YouTube channel might matter? I have a gaming channel with income from both ads and gaming sponsorships. My tax preparer said the sponsorships are definitely Schedule C, but put the ad revenue on Schedule E since they're technically royalties from my existing content. Been doing it this way for 3 years with no issues.
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Eleanor Foster
ā¢That's interesting! My accountant does the exact opposite. She puts my YouTube ad revenue on Schedule C and my book royalties on Schedule E. Her reasoning was that YouTube ad revenue is tied to a platform where I built a business presence, while book royalties are more passive. The IRS seems to accept both approaches.
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Eva St. Cyr
This is exactly the kind of gray area that drives people crazy during tax season! I've been dealing with a similar situation with my old blog that still generates affiliate commissions. After years of going back and forth, here's what I've learned: The IRS generally looks at the "origin and character" of the income rather than your current level of activity. Since you originally created YouTube content as part of what was essentially a business venture (even if informal), the income retains that business character even when the channel goes dormant. I'd recommend sticking with Schedule C for consistency, especially since you've been filing it that way for 7+ years. The IRS tends to scrutinize sudden changes in income classification, and you could face questions during an audit about why you switched approaches. One silver lining: even with a dormant channel, you might still be able to deduct certain ongoing expenses like internet costs (percentage used for business), software subscriptions for video editing tools you maintain, or even a portion of your phone bill if you use it to monitor analytics. These deductions can help offset some of that self-employment tax burden. The peace of mind from consistent filing often outweighs the SE tax savings, especially at your income level where we're talking about maybe $200 in additional taxes.
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Connor Murphy
ā¢This is really helpful, thank you! I hadn't thought about the "origin and character" concept - that makes a lot of sense. You're right that consistency is probably worth more than the potential tax savings, especially since I've been doing it the same way for so long. I'm curious about those deductions you mentioned though. I actually do still pay for Adobe Creative Suite since I occasionally think about making new videos (even though I never do), and I have a business internet plan that I've maintained. Are those still legitimate deductions even if I'm not actively creating content? I always assumed I needed to be actively working to claim business expenses.
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