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The Boss

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I wanted to add my perspective as someone who works at a financial institution and sees these types of questions frequently. The advice you're getting here is absolutely correct - Roth IRA contributions can always be withdrawn penalty-free and tax-free regardless of your age or how long the account has been open. Given that your $2,000 has been sitting uninvested for 6 years, you're in an ideal situation for a penalty-free withdrawal. When money sits in a default settlement fund or money market account, it typically earns very minimal interest - often just a few dollars per year. Here's exactly what I'd recommend: Call E-trade and ask them to provide you with two specific numbers: (1) your total lifetime contributions to the account, and (2) your current total account balance. If the difference is small (likely under $50 for uninvested funds over 6 years), you can withdraw up to the contribution amount completely penalty-free. The 10% penalty the rep mentioned is real, but it only applies to earnings/growth withdrawn before age 59Β½. Since your money hasn't been invested and growing, this penalty almost certainly doesn't apply to your situation. Don't let generic penalty warnings prevent you from accessing your own contributions when you need them!

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GalaxyGuardian

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Thank you so much for providing the professional perspective! It's really reassuring to hear from someone who works at a financial institution and sees these situations regularly. Your explanation about asking E-trade for those two specific numbers - total lifetime contributions versus current account balance - gives me a clear roadmap for my call tomorrow. I'm feeling much more confident now after reading all these responses. It sounds like my situation is actually pretty straightforward, and the scary penalty warnings I was worried about likely don't apply since my money has just been sitting there earning minimal interest. I really appreciate everyone in this community taking the time to share their real experiences and professional knowledge. This thread has been incredibly educational and has saved me a lot of stress and confusion. I'll definitely update once I get through to E-trade and find out my exact numbers!

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Romeo Barrett

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I just wanted to share my own experience since I was in almost exactly the same boat as you about 8 months ago. I had a Roth IRA with Schwab that my dad opened for me in 2018 with $2,500, and like yours, the money had just been sitting in their default cash position earning practically nothing. When I needed to access the funds for a medical emergency, I was initially panicked about penalties. But after calling Schwab and asking specifically for my "contribution basis" versus current account value (thanks to advice I found online similar to what you're getting here), I learned that my $2,500 had only grown to about $2,518 over 5+ years. I was able to withdraw the full $2,500 contribution amount with zero penalties and zero taxes. The $18 in earnings I left in the account to avoid any complications, though technically I could have withdrawn some of that too and just paid regular income tax on it (no penalty since there was a medical exception). The key insight that really helped me was understanding that with Roth IRAs, your contributions always come out first before any earnings. So even if there had been significant growth, I could still access my original $2,500 penalty-free. In your case, with uninvested funds, you're looking at an even simpler situation. Don't let the generic penalty warnings scare you - call E-trade tomorrow and ask for those two magic numbers everyone's mentioned. You'll almost certainly find that you can access most or all of your $2,000 without any penalties at all.

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Connor Murphy

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Thank you so much for sharing your detailed experience! It's incredibly helpful to hear from someone who went through almost the exact same situation with uninvested Roth IRA funds. Your example of $2,500 growing to only $2,518 over 5+ years really puts things in perspective - that's exactly the kind of minimal growth I'd expect from money sitting in a default cash position. I love how you explained the "contributions come out first" rule - that's such an important concept that makes the whole process much less scary. Even if there had been significant earnings in your account, you still could have accessed your original contributions penalty-free. Your approach of leaving the small earnings amount in the account to avoid complications seems really smart too. For the peace of mind and simplicity, it's probably worth leaving any minimal earnings untouched and just withdrawing the contribution amount. I'm definitely feeling much more confident about calling E-trade tomorrow and asking for those specific numbers. Based on all the real experiences shared in this thread, it sounds like I should be able to access the money I need without the penalties I was worried about. Thank you for taking the time to share your story!

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Reporting Inherited Rental Property on Taxes While It's Still in Probate - Legal?

My father-in-law unexpectedly passed away in 2023 without leaving a will. He owned a condo that was his separate property that my mother-in-law disclaimed to me, following what we knew were his wishes. He had rented this condo out for years. Everything else went to my mother-in-law. Because they had substantial shared assets, the estate went into probate with my mother-in-law serving as executor. My mother-in-law is a tax preparer and has handled our family's taxes for years. She just sent us a draft of our 2024 taxes, and I noticed she included this condo on Schedule E. The problem is, the estate is still tied up in probate, and the estate's income taxes haven't even been filed yet. I don't have actual possession of the property - the deed is still in my father-in-law's name, as is the bank account where rent payments are deposited. I haven't met the tenant, anyone in the building management, or the property manager. I haven't received any distributions from the estate. Is it correct to include this rental property on our personal tax return? Is this even allowed? From my research online, it seems like the estate should be filing Form 1041 with this rental property and its income included, or my mother-in-law should be distributing the income with a Schedule K-1 to me. My understanding is that until the property is actually distributed and probate is closed, she can't put it on our personal return. Also, at what point is the property legally considered mine and should be included on our taxes? What triggers that change? Any guidance on how this should be handled would be greatly appreciated!

As someone who recently went through a similar inheritance situation, I completely agree with all the advice you've received here. The distinction between beneficial interest and actual legal ownership is crucial for tax reporting purposes. I inherited my uncle's rental property last year, and even though I knew it would eventually be mine, my estate attorney was adamant that all rental income needed to be reported on Form 1041 until the probate court officially transferred the deed to my name. Like you, I had no access to rental accounts, couldn't communicate with tenants, and couldn't make any property management decisions. What really helped me understand this was thinking about it from the IRS's perspective - they want to see income reported by whoever has legal control and responsibility for the property during that tax year. Since the estate (through your mother-in-law as executor) is currently handling all the property's affairs, that's where the income should be reported. I'd encourage you to have that conversation with your mother-in-law about switching to Form 1041 for the estate. In my experience, most tax preparers understand this distinction once it's explained, and she'll likely appreciate you helping ensure everything is filed correctly. The wait will be worth it when you do get that stepped-up basis benefit everyone mentioned - it made a significant difference in my depreciation calculations once the property was officially transferred to me.

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TommyKapitz

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Thank you for sharing your experience, Keisha! It's really reassuring to hear from someone who went through almost the identical situation. The point about thinking from the IRS's perspective is particularly helpful - they want to see income reported by whoever has actual legal control, which clearly isn't me at this stage. I'm definitely planning to have that conversation with my mother-in-law about filing Form 1041 for the estate instead. Reading all these responses has given me the confidence and the specific reasoning I need to explain why this approach is necessary. It sounds like most tax preparers are receptive once they understand the legal ownership distinction. I'm also curious - when your property was finally transferred to you, was the transition to reporting on your personal Schedule E pretty straightforward? Did you run into any complications with the IRS wanting to see documentation of the transfer, or was it smooth once you had the new deed? The stepped-up basis benefit does sound like it will make a real difference in the long run. I just want to make sure we handle everything correctly now to avoid any issues down the road when the property does become officially mine.

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Ana Erdoğan

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@TommyKapitz The transition to my personal Schedule E was actually quite smooth once I had the official documentation! The key was having the court order transferring the property and the new deed recorded in my name. I kept copies of both with my tax records. The IRS didn't request any additional documentation during filing, but having that paper trail ready was important. What made it seamless was that we had maintained detailed records during the probate period on the estate's Form 1041, so when I took over, I had a clear starting point for depreciation calculations with the stepped-up basis. One tip: make sure your mother-in-law keeps meticulous records of all rental income, expenses, and any improvements made during probate. When you do start reporting on Schedule E, you'll want that complete financial history. Also, don't forget to notify your insurance company, property manager, and tenants once the transfer is complete - that's when you truly take control of all aspects of the property. The wait really is worth it for both the stepped-up basis benefit and the peace of mind that everything was filed correctly from day one.

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Emma Wilson

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This is such a valuable discussion for anyone dealing with inherited property during probate! As someone new to this community, I'm impressed by how clearly everyone has explained the distinction between beneficial interest and legal ownership. What strikes me most is how the practical realities align perfectly with the tax requirements - if you can't access accounts, make decisions, or even communicate with property managers, then you clearly don't have the legal control necessary to report income on your personal return. The consensus here is overwhelming: the estate should file Form 1041 and report the rental income there until probate closes and the property is legally transferred to you. Your mother-in-law, while well-intentioned, appears to be making a mistake that could create audit issues down the road. I'd definitely recommend having that conversation about switching to proper estate tax filing. The stepped-up basis benefit you'll eventually receive, combined with doing things correctly from the start, will be worth the wait. Better to be conservative and compliant than risk complications with the IRS later. Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences - this thread should be required reading for anyone inheriting rental property!

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Abigail Patel

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As another newcomer who just joined this community, I couldn't agree more with your summary, Emma! This thread has been incredibly educational and shows the real value of having experienced community members share their knowledge. What really resonates with me is how everyone's practical experiences validate the tax code requirements. The fact that multiple people mentioned not being able to contact property managers or access rental accounts while the property was in probate really drives home why the IRS expects the estate to report that income rather than the eventual beneficiary. I'm also struck by how consistent the advice has been across different members' experiences - whether it was The Boss with the duplex, Keisha with her uncle's property, or others who went through similar situations. The pattern is clear: Form 1041 for the estate during probate, then Schedule E once legal transfer occurs. For anyone else reading this thread in the future, the key seems to be patience and proper documentation. Don't rush to claim property income on your personal return just because you know you'll inherit it. Wait for actual legal ownership, maintain good records during probate, and you'll benefit from both compliance and the stepped-up basis rules. This is exactly the kind of practical guidance that makes online communities so valuable for navigating complex tax situations!

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Sofia Torres

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This is definitely a stressful situation, but you're handling it the right way by addressing it proactively! I went through something similar a few years ago where I had filing status inconsistencies. One thing that really helped me was creating a spreadsheet with all the key information for each tax year - income amounts, deductions claimed, taxes paid, etc. This made it much easier when I met with my new tax professional to quickly assess the situation. Also, don't beat yourself up too much about not catching this earlier. Tax forms are confusing, and it sounds like your accountant really dropped the ball here. The fact that your husband's returns showed "married filing separately" while yours showed "single" should have been a huge red flag that any competent tax preparer would catch. Since you mentioned you're getting a new accountant anyway, I'd recommend interviewing a few different tax professionals (CPAs or enrolled agents) and specifically asking about their experience with amended returns and filing status corrections. Some are much more experienced with these complex situations than others. The good news is that this is fixable, and as others mentioned, there's a decent chance you may have actually overpaid taxes by filing as single rather than married filing separately. Keep all your documentation organized and take it one step at a time!

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Felicity Bud

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This is such helpful practical advice! The spreadsheet idea is brilliant - I'm definitely going to do that before meeting with a new tax professional. It's reassuring to hear from someone who went through something similar and came out okay on the other side. You're absolutely right about interviewing multiple tax professionals. I realize now that I was way too trusting with my current accountant and didn't ask enough questions about their experience or processes. This whole situation has been a wake-up call about being more involved in my own tax preparation. Thanks for the encouragement about not beating myself up too much. I've been spiraling a bit thinking about all the "what ifs" but you're right - the important thing is fixing it now rather than dwelling on past mistakes.

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Lourdes Fox

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I'm a tax professional and want to add some perspective that might help ease your anxiety. Filing status errors like this are more common than you'd think, especially when spouses use the same preparer but handle their taxes separately. The key thing to understand is that the IRS generally treats honest mistakes differently than intentional fraud. Your situation clearly falls into the "honest mistake" category, particularly since your husband's returns correctly showed "married filing separately" - this actually works in your favor as it demonstrates there was no intent to deceive. Here's what I'd recommend for your immediate next steps: 1. Gather all tax returns for both you and your husband from 2018-2023 2. Calculate your actual tax liability using "married filing separately" status for each year 3. Determine if you owe additional taxes or if you overpaid (single filers often pay more than MFS) 4. For the Roth IRA issue, calculate your modified adjusted gross income for each contribution year to see if you were actually eligible The statute of limitations works in your favor here - you can only be assessed additional taxes going back 3 years (2021-2023) unless there's substantial underreporting. And if you overpaid in any of those years, you can claim refunds. Don't panic about penalties either. First-time penalty abatement is available if you've been compliant otherwise, and reasonable cause provisions often apply to situations like yours where there was professional preparer error. The most important thing is getting a qualified tax professional (CPA or enrolled agent) who specializes in tax controversy and amended returns. This is definitely fixable!

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This is incredibly reassuring to hear from a tax professional! Thank you for breaking this down so clearly. I've been losing sleep over this thinking I was going to face massive penalties or get in serious trouble with the IRS. Your point about this being an "honest mistake" rather than fraud makes so much sense, especially since my husband's returns were filed correctly. I hadn't thought about how that actually helps demonstrate there was no intent to deceive. I'm definitely going to follow your step-by-step recommendations. The idea that I might have actually overpaid by filing as single is something I hadn't fully considered until reading these comments. It would be amazing if this whole stressful situation actually resulted in getting money back instead of owing more! Do you have any specific questions I should ask when interviewing new tax professionals to make sure they have the right experience with these types of situations? I clearly need to be more thorough in vetting my tax preparer going forward.

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I went through this exact same confusion last year! The key thing to understand is that "effectively connected with U.S. trade or business" has a very specific meaning - it's not just about having a bank account in the US while you're here temporarily. For your situation, Exception 1(a) is almost certainly the right choice. Since your bank gave you a letter stating the account is subject to IRS information reporting, and you're just keeping savings there (not running a business), this falls under passive income reporting. Exception 1(b) would only apply if you were actually operating a business in the US and the bank account was directly related to that business activity. Just being temporarily in the US with a savings account doesn't qualify. I'd recommend going with Exception 1(a) and including your bank's letter as supporting documentation. The IRS is pretty clear that any interest-bearing account subject to their reporting requirements qualifies under this exception, regardless of how much interest you're actually earning.

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I just wanted to add my experience since I went through this exact same situation about 6 months ago. Like you, I was completely confused about which exception to choose, and I ended up making it more complicated than it needed to be. After reading through all the IRS instructions multiple times and calling my bank for clarification, I learned that the key question is really simple: Are you using this bank account for business purposes or personal savings? Since you mentioned you're just keeping savings there while temporarily in the US, Exception 1(a) is definitely the right choice. The "effectively connected with U.S. trade or business" language in Exception 1(b) is very specific - it means you're actually running a business or engaged in commercial activity in the US, not just maintaining a personal account. My bank's letter was similar to yours - it just stated that the account was subject to IRS information reporting. That's all you need for Exception 1(a). The IRS approved my application in about 8 weeks with no issues. One tip: Make sure to include a copy of your bank's letter with your W-7 application as supporting documentation. It directly supports your choice of Exception 1(a) and shows the IRS exactly why you need the ITIN. Good luck with your application! You're overthinking it - Exception 1(a) is the way to go for your situation.

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Mia Roberts

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This is really helpful advice! I'm in a similar situation and was also overthinking the "effectively connected" language. Your explanation makes it much clearer that Exception 1(a) is for regular bank accounts with passive interest, while 1(b) is specifically for actual business activities. Did you have any issues with the 8-week processing time, or did it go smoothly once you submitted everything? I'm wondering if I should expect any follow-up questions from the IRS or if they typically just approve it if you have the right documentation. Also, when you say "copy of your bank's letter" - did you send a photocopy or did you need a certified copy? I want to make sure I'm including the right type of documentation.

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I had this exact situation with my kid's college last year! The school's explanation is correct - it's about when the term OFFICIALLY begins according to the school's academic calendar, not when classes actually start. Our university does the same thing - the spring semester officially begins December 15th for financial and administrative purposes, even though classes don't start until mid-January. It's actually beneficial for tax purposes because it means you can claim the education credit in the earlier tax year. As long as the university can document that the term officially begins in December, the 1098-T is correct with Box 7 unchecked. Just keep the documentation from the school in case the IRS ever questions it.

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Javier Torres

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Does this really matter that much? I've been claiming education credits for years and never paid attention to Box 7. I just enter the amount from Box 1 into my tax software and let it figure it out.

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It actually does matter quite a bit! Box 7 affects which tax year you can claim education credits for those expenses. If you're not paying attention to it, you could be claiming credits in the wrong tax year, which might trigger an IRS notice or audit. When Box 7 is checked, it means the payment is for a term beginning in the next year, so you should generally wait to claim the credit until that year's return. When it's unchecked (like in OP's case), you can claim it on the current year's return. Your tax software might handle it automatically, but it's worth double-checking to make sure you're maximizing your credits and not creating any compliance issues. The IRS has been paying more attention to education credit claims lately.

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This is a really helpful thread! I'm dealing with almost the exact same situation with my daughter's 1098-T. Her college also has the Spring term officially starting in December but classes beginning in January, and I was completely confused about why Box 7 wasn't checked. Reading through everyone's explanations, it's clear that this is actually more common than I thought. What really helped me understand is that the IRS follows the institution's official academic calendar, not the physical class schedule. So if the university documents that Spring 2025 officially began in December 2024, then Box 7 should remain unchecked. I think the key takeaway for anyone in this situation is to get written documentation from your school about when the term officially begins in their system. That way you have backup if there are ever any questions about how you claimed the education credits. Thanks especially to the bursar's office employee who confirmed this is normal practice - that really put my mind at ease!

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I'm so glad I found this thread! I've been struggling with the same issue for my son's 1098-T and was starting to think the university made an error. Your summary really helped clarify things - especially the point about getting written documentation from the school. I just called my son's financial aid office and they confirmed that their Spring 2025 term officially started December 16, 2024 for administrative purposes, which is why Box 7 is unchecked on his form. They're sending me an email with the official academic calendar as documentation. It's such a relief to know this is normal and that I can confidently claim the education credit on my 2024 return. Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences - this community is incredibly helpful for navigating these confusing tax situations!

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