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I had this exact issue in 2022! The simplest solution ended up being asking my employer to issue a corrected W-2 for the year I received the overpayment (which would be 2023 in your case). They were resistant at first, but after I showed them guidance from the IRS about wage corrections, they eventually did it. This approach completely avoided the repayment deduction issue because it essentially "erased" the overpayment from my prior year income, which meant I could file an amended return for 2023 to get back the taxes I paid on that money.
You're in a frustrating but unfortunately common situation. Here's what I'd recommend based on your $2,400 repayment amount: First, immediately check with your payroll department to see HOW they're processing your repayments. Are they being taken as post-tax deductions from your paycheck, or are they actually reducing your gross wages before taxes are calculated? This is crucial - if they're reducing your gross wages, you're already getting the tax benefit you deserve. If they're NOT reducing your gross wages (which sounds likely based on your description), you need to push back. Reference Revenue Ruling 2009-151, which allows employers to adjust current year W-2 wages for repayments of prior year wages when done through payroll deduction. Your HR was actually partially correct - they CAN and SHOULD reduce your taxable wages, they're just not doing it properly. Document everything: your original overpayment amount, repayment schedule, and current pay stub treatment. If your employer won't cooperate, you might need to escalate this or consider getting professional help, because you're absolutely right that paying taxes twice on the same money is unfair. The $3,000 threshold in Pub 525 is real, but it shouldn't apply if your employer handles the repayments correctly through payroll adjustments rather than expecting you to claim a suspended deduction.
This is exactly the kind of clear, actionable advice I needed! I'm definitely going to check my pay stubs more carefully to see how the repayments are being coded. Looking back at my recent stubs, I think they might actually be coming out as "other deductions" rather than reducing my gross pay, which would explain why my taxable wages haven't decreased. I'll print out Revenue Ruling 2009-151 and bring it to HR on Monday. It's frustrating that I have to educate them on how to do their job correctly, but at least now I have the specific regulation to reference. Do you know if there's a deadline for them to correct how they're handling this, or can they adjust my year-to-date wages at any point before issuing my 2024 W-2?
I went through something similar last year with a SNAP overpayment. The TOP system can be really slow to update, but what caught me off guard was that my state (California) has their own offset program that's totally separate. They grabbed my state refund even though nothing showed up federally. Definitely call your state's revenue department - they usually have a separate debt collection division that handles these offsets. Also, if you're on a payment plan and making regular payments, some states will hold off on offsetting as long as you're in good standing. Worth asking about!
This is super helpful info! I'm in Texas and didn't even know they had their own system. Did California give you any advance notice before they took your state refund or did it just disappear? Trying to figure out if I should expect a heads up or just brace for impact š
@Liam McGuire They didn t'give me any heads up at all! One day I checked my refund status and it just showed offset "applied -" no warning letter or anything. I only found out the details when I called their offset hotline. Texas might be different though, so definitely worth calling them directly to see what their process is. At least if you know it s'coming you can plan for it!
Just want to add that even if you're on a payment plan, they can still offset your refund - the payment plan doesn't automatically protect you from offsets. However, if you've been making consistent payments and can show good faith effort, some agencies will work with you. I'd recommend calling the agency that handles your SNAP overpayment directly (usually your state's human services department) to ask about their offset policy. They might be able to tell you if they've submitted anything for collection or if staying current on your payment plan gives you any protection. Also seconding what others said about state vs federal - totally different systems that don't always communicate!
Great question! I went through this exact same situation when I consolidated accounts from three different banks into one. The key thing to understand is that normal electronic transfers, wire transfers, and checks between your own accounts don't trigger Currency Transaction Reports (CTRs) because these aren't considered "cash transactions." The $10,000 CTR threshold only applies to physical currency deposits/withdrawals. So whether you move $5,000 or $50,000 electronically, it won't automatically generate IRS reports just because of the amount. The only scenario where you might see reporting is if the bank's systems flag the activity as unusual for your account history, but a one-time transfer to consolidate accounts is pretty standard banking activity. I'd recommend calling your new bank ahead of time to give them a heads up about the incoming transfer - some banks appreciate the notification for larger amounts just to ensure smooth processing. Wire transfers do typically have fees ($20-35), but they're same-day. ACH transfers are usually free but take 2-3 business days. Either way, no special IRS implications for moving your own money between institutions.
This is really helpful! I'm actually in a similar situation where I'm closing accounts at two different banks and moving everything to one primary bank. One question - when you say "calling your new bank ahead of time," do you mean just the receiving bank, or should I also notify the banks I'm transferring FROM? I'm planning to move about $25k total (split across a few transfers over the course of a week) and want to make sure I don't accidentally trigger any holds or delays. Did you run into any issues with the banks placing temporary holds on the funds during your consolidation?
I'd recommend notifying both banks, actually! I called the receiving bank first to let them know about the incoming transfers, and they really appreciated the heads up. Then I also called the banks I was transferring FROM, especially for the larger amounts. For your $25k total, spreading it across multiple transfers over a week is smart. I did run into one minor hold - my old bank put a 24-hour hold on a $15k wire transfer just to verify it wasn't fraudulent, but they released it quickly once I confirmed it was legitimate. The receiving bank didn't hold anything because I'd given them advance notice. One tip: if you're doing multiple transfers, try to space them out by at least a day or two rather than doing them all at once. Some banks' fraud detection systems can flag rapid successive large transfers even when they're legitimate. The week timeline you're planning sounds perfect for avoiding any automated flags. Also keep documentation of all the transfers - screenshots, confirmation numbers, etc. Not for IRS purposes, but just to help resolve any potential bank questions quickly if they arise.
I just wanted to add something that might be helpful for anyone doing large transfers - consider whether you need all the money immediately or if you can stagger the moves. I recently moved about $40k when switching banks and decided to do it in chunks over two weeks rather than all at once. This approach has a few benefits: it reduces the risk of any single transfer getting flagged or held up, it gives you time to make sure each transfer processes smoothly before doing the next one, and it spreads out any potential wire transfer fees if you're using that method. Also, if you're moving money from multiple accounts (checking, savings, CDs, etc.), I'd recommend moving them in separate transfers and clearly labeling what each transfer represents when you initiate it. This makes it easier for both banks to track and for you to verify everything arrived correctly. One last thing - make sure you understand the timing of when your old accounts will be closed. Some banks require accounts to have a zero balance for 30+ days before officially closing them, so plan accordingly if you're trying to completely shut down your old banking relationships.
This is really smart advice about staggering the transfers! I'm about to do something similar and hadn't thought about the account closure timing. Quick question - when you say "clearly labeling what each transfer represents," do you mean in the memo/description field when setting up the transfer? I have a checking account, two savings accounts, and a money market account that I'm planning to consolidate, so I want to make sure I can track everything properly. Did you use descriptions like "Closing Savings Account #1" or something more detailed? Also, the 30-day zero balance requirement is news to me - I was planning to close everything immediately after the transfers. I'll definitely need to check with my current banks about their specific policies. Thanks for sharing your experience!
What about leasing instead of buying? My accountant suggested that leasing a vehicle is better for tax purposes because you can write off the payments directly as business expenses without worrying about Section 179 limitations or later recapture issues when you're done with the vehicle.
Great question about the long-term implications! One thing to keep in mind is that even after your loan is paid off, you'll want to maintain detailed records of business vs personal use if you ever start using the vehicle for personal purposes. The IRS can look back and question your Section 179 deduction if they find the business use dropped below 50% during the recovery period. Also, regarding selling your business - you might want to get the vehicle appraised before making that decision. Sometimes the current fair market value of the vehicle could make it more beneficial to keep it separate from the business sale, especially if the business is selling for a premium that wouldn't fairly compensate you for the vehicle's value. Just make sure you understand the tax implications of either choice before committing to one path. I'd suggest consulting with a tax professional who specializes in small business sales to run the numbers both ways - selling with vs. without the vehicle included.
This is really helpful advice about getting an appraisal! I hadn't thought about the vehicle potentially being worth more separately than as part of the business package. How do you find a tax professional who specifically handles business sales? Is this something a regular CPA would know, or do I need someone with special credentials?
ElectricDreamer
This is such a helpful thread! I'm dealing with a similar situation with my mom's trust. One thing I learned the hard way - make sure you understand whether your trust is a "simple" or "complex" trust before setting up estimated payments. Complex trusts (which can accumulate income or make charitable distributions) have different estimated tax calculation rules than simple trusts that must distribute all income annually. Also, if you're dealing with multiple states, consider whether the trust might qualify for any reciprocal agreements between states to avoid double taxation. Some states have agreements that can simplify the filing process significantly. The EFTPS system mentioned earlier is definitely the way to go for federal payments once you get enrolled. Just be patient with the PIN mailing process!
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FireflyDreams
ā¢This is exactly the kind of detailed info I needed! I'm pretty sure we're dealing with a complex trust since it has some discretionary distribution provisions. Do you know if there are any good resources that explain the difference in estimated tax calculations between simple and complex trusts? The IRS publications I've found are pretty confusing on this point. Also, thanks for the tip about reciprocal agreements - I hadn't even thought about that possibility. We have property in neighboring states so that could potentially save us some headaches.
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Noland Curtis
ā¢@FireflyDreams For understanding the difference between simple and complex trust estimated tax calculations, I'd recommend checking out IRS Publication 559 (Survivors, Executors, and Administrators) and Publication 3402 (Tax Issues for Life Insurance and Annuity Contracts). They break down the distribution rules more clearly than the standard trust publications. The key difference is that complex trusts need to calculate estimated taxes based on the income they plan to retain rather than distribute. So if your trust has discretionary distribution language, you'll need to estimate how much income will actually be distributed vs. accumulated when calculating quarterly payments. For the reciprocal agreements, start by checking each state's tax department website for "reciprocity agreements" or "nonresident tax credits." Some states like Pennsylvania and New Jersey have agreements that can eliminate double taxation on trust income sourced from neighboring states.
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Katherine Shultz
Great discussion here! I wanted to add one more consideration that caught me off guard when I started handling my father's trust - backup withholding requirements. If the trust receives income from sources that don't have proper tax ID documentation on file, you might face backup withholding at 24%, which can really mess up your estimated payment calculations. Also, for those dealing with trusts that have investment accounts, make sure your brokerage has the trust's EIN properly set up. I had a situation where the brokerage was still using the deceased grantor's SSN for tax reporting, which created a nightmare when trying to reconcile the trust's income for estimated tax purposes. One last tip - if your trust generates income from rental properties, don't forget that you might need to make estimated payments for self-employment tax on any active rental management income. This is separate from the regular income tax estimates and uses Form SE.
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