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Don't forget you can also deduct tuition and fees as an adjustment to income (above-the-line deduction) instead of taking a credit. Sometimes that works out better depending on your tax situation.
The tuition and fees deduction was eliminated after 2020. It's no longer available for tax years 2021 and beyond. Credits are now the only education tax benefit for most students.
I went through this exact same confusion last year! Here's what I learned from my research and talking to a tax professional: The 4-year AOTC limit follows the student, not the taxpayer, so those years your parents claimed it definitely count toward your total. Based on your description, you're likely at 3 years used (2016, 2017, 2021) with potentially one more if you claimed it in 2019 or 2020. A few additional tips beyond what others have mentioned: 1. If you can't easily access your parents' old returns, they can call the IRS directly and request information about education credits claimed for your SSN - the IRS can provide this over the phone. 2. When reviewing your own returns, look specifically for Form 8863 Part I. If you see "American Opportunity Credit" checked with your info, that's a used year. 3. Consider timing strategically - if you only have one AOTC year left, save it for when you'll have the highest qualified expenses to maximize the $2,500 credit. 4. Remember that qualified expenses for AOTC include tuition, fees, and required course materials (books, supplies, equipment), but not room and board. Good luck with your education financing! The credit tracking can be frustrating but it's worth getting it right.
This is incredibly helpful, thank you! I hadn't thought about having my parents call the IRS directly to ask about credits claimed for my SSN - that's a great workaround if I can't get access to their old returns. Your point about timing is spot on too. I'm planning to take a full course load in 2024 and 2025, so I'll definitely have enough qualified expenses to max out the credit if I have any AOTC years remaining. One quick follow-up question - when you mention "required course materials," does that include things like a graphing calculator or laptop that's required for a specific program, or is it more limited to textbooks and basic supplies?
If you find that your gambling losses plus other itemized deductions don't exceed the standard deduction, there's another approach. You could consider bunching your charitable deductions into alternating years to push yourself over the threshold for itemizing in specific years. For example, make double charitable contributions this year and none next year. This strategy might let you itemize and claim gambling losses in the "bunched" years while taking the standard deduction in other years.
can u explain more about this bunching strategy? not sure i understand how that would help with claiming gambling losses. does this actually work with the irs?
The bunching strategy works because it helps you cross the threshold where itemizing becomes more beneficial than taking the standard deduction. Let's say your standard deduction is $13,850 but your itemized deductions including gambling losses only total $11,000. In this case, taking the standard deduction is better, but you lose the benefit of the gambling loss deduction. However, if you normally donate $3,000 to charity each year, instead you could donate $6,000 this year and $0 next year. Now your itemized deductions are $14,000 ($11,000 + extra $3,000), which exceeds the standard deduction. This allows you to benefit from deducting your gambling losses. The next year, you'd take the standard deduction since you wouldn't have charitable contributions to itemize. The IRS allows this strategy completely - there's nothing questionable about timing your legitimate charitable contributions to maximize tax benefits.
Im looking at freetaxusa right now actually. If you go to Deductions > Itemized deductions, then look for "Other Itemized Deductions" section. Its listed right there as "Gambling losses" with a field to input the amount. But remebr you can only deduct up to the amount of your winnings that you reported.
Thanks for the exact location! I've been searching for ages. What confuses me is I've entered my W-2G forms but the winnings amount shown in FreeTaxUSA doesn't match my actual winnings. Do you know why that might be?
@Arjun Patel The discrepancy between your W-2G forms and what FreeTaxUSA is showing could be due to a few reasons. First, make sure you ve'entered all your W-2G forms - sometimes people get multiple forms from different casinos or gaming sessions. Second, check that you ve'entered the amounts correctly from Box 1 winnings (on) each W-2G. Another possibility is that you might have other gambling winnings that weren t'reported on W-2G forms. Casinos are only required to issue W-2Gs for certain types of winnings above specific thresholds like ($1,200+ from slot machines or $5,000+ from poker tournaments .)You re'still required to report ALL gambling winnings even if you didn t'receive a form for them. Double-check your entries and make sure you haven t'missed any forms or accidentally duplicated any entries.
One thing nobody has mentioned yet - make sure you're keeping detailed records of all your refunds! The IRS can ask for documentation if you get audited. I create a separate spreadsheet that tracks: - Original sale amount - Date of refund - Full refund amount to customer - Any processing fees returned to me - Final amount I paid out of pocket This has saved me several times when I needed to verify my Schedule C numbers.
This is such a helpful thread! I'm also a new small business owner and was completely confused about this exact same issue. Based on what everyone is saying, it sounds like the key is to separate the customer refund (which goes on Line 2) from the processing fee refund (which reduces your expenses). I've been making the mistake of only reporting what came out of my pocket rather than the full customer refund amount. This means I've probably been overpaying my taxes! Going to go back and review my records now to make sure I'm doing this correctly going forward. Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences - it's so reassuring to know other small business owners have dealt with the same confusion!
You're absolutely right about potentially overpaying! I made the same mistake my first year and ended up paying taxes on income I never actually received. When I went back and corrected it, I was able to claim a decent refund on my amended return. The IRS Form 1040X is what you'll need if you want to amend previous years - just make sure you have all your refund documentation ready. It's definitely worth doing if the amounts are significant enough to make a difference in your tax liability.
Just a heads up - when you get your new LLC EIN, don't forget to update it with ALL your payment processors (PayPal, Stripe, Square, etc) and any platforms where you sell your services. I forgot to update mine with one platform and it caused a huge mismatch when they issued my 1099-K. Took months to sort out with the IRS!
Omg thank you for this reminder! I use both PayPal and Square for client payments, and definitely would have forgotten to update them. Do you know if there's a specific time I should make these updates? Like should I wait until the start of a new tax year or do it immediately after getting the new EIN?
I'd recommend updating them as soon as your LLC is fully operational and you're ready to switch your business activity over to the new entity. The cleanest approach is to make a clear cutoff - for example, as of July 1, all new business runs through the LLC with its new EIN. If possible, doing this transition at the beginning of a calendar quarter makes your accounting cleaner. But the most important thing is to communicate clearly with your payment processors about the change and keep meticulous records of when the switch happened, so you can properly allocate income between your sole prop and LLC for tax purposes.
Just went through this exact same situation last month! One thing I learned that wasn't immediately obvious - when you apply for your new LLC EIN, make sure you have your LLC's Articles of Organization handy. The IRS online application will ask for specific details like your LLC's formation date and the state where it was formed. Also, don't stress too much about the timing. You can continue operating under your sole prop EIN while you're waiting for the new LLC EIN to come through, as long as you make the switch before filing your next tax return. Just keep good records of which income/expenses belong to which entity during any overlap period. The whole process is actually pretty straightforward once you get started - much less scary than it seems when you're reading about it online!
This is really reassuring to hear from someone who just went through it! I was worried about the timing aspect - like what happens if there's a gap between when I stop using my sole prop EIN and when I get the new LLC one. Good to know I can keep operating during that transition period. Quick question - when you say "make the switch before filing your next tax return," do you mean I need to have everything switched over by December 31st for this tax year? Or can I make the change partway through the year and just split the income appropriately on my returns?
Anastasia Fedorov
I've been following this discussion as someone who recently went through probate with inherited installment obligations, and I wanted to add a few practical points that might help with your situation. First, regarding the estate vs. direct distribution question - since you're the executor and the distributions went to the correct beneficiaries according to the will's residuary clause, you can likely clean this up by treating it as an "advance distribution" and documenting it properly in your final estate accounting. Most probate courts are understanding about this kind of procedural issue when there are no creditors and the distributions were made correctly. For the Form 1041 question - if the estate has no other income and the note payments are being distributed currently to beneficiaries, you might be able to avoid filing an estate return altogether by making sure everything is properly documented as direct inheritance rather than estate income. However, this depends on your state's specific probate requirements. One thing I learned the hard way is to keep meticulous records of the payment allocations. Since you're dealing with both federal and potentially multiple state returns, having a clear monthly breakdown of each beneficiary's share of interest vs. principal vs. capital gain will save you hours during tax season. Also, don't forget about the potential need for Form 1041 Schedule K-1s if you do end up treating this as estate income that flows through to beneficiaries. The tax software for estate returns can be tricky, so factor that complexity into your decision about whether to handle this yourself or get professional help. Given the interstate complications and the estate administration aspects, this might be worth the investment in a tax professional who specializes in estates and installment sales.
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Liam Sullivan
ā¢Thank you for this really practical perspective on the estate administration side! The idea of treating the payments as "advance distributions" and documenting them properly in the final estate accounting sounds like a much more manageable approach than trying to claw everything back into estate accounts. Your point about potentially avoiding Form 1041 altogether is especially helpful. Since there really is no other estate income and we're essentially just passing through what should have been direct inheritance anyway, it makes sense that proper documentation might be more important than formal estate tax filings. I'm definitely leaning toward getting professional help at this point. Between the interstate tax issues, the estate administration complexities, and the installment sale technical requirements, there are just too many ways to make costly mistakes. The investment in a specialist seems worth it to avoid potential penalties or audit issues down the road. Do you happen to remember roughly what you paid for professional help with your similar situation? I'm trying to budget for this and want to make sure I'm setting realistic expectations for the cost of getting everything handled properly.
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Leslie Parker
ā¢For professional help with my inherited installment note situation, I ended up paying around $2,800 total - $1,200 for the initial estate consultation and tax planning, then another $1,600 for preparing all the necessary returns (estate final return, personal returns for three beneficiaries, and non-resident state returns). It felt expensive upfront, but it was absolutely worth it. The specialist caught several issues I would have missed, including a depreciation recapture component that applied to part of the original business sale that would have been costly to get wrong. They also helped structure the final estate distributions in a way that minimized ongoing compliance requirements. One money-saving tip - if you do go the professional route, try to find someone who can handle both the estate administration aspects AND the ongoing tax implications in one engagement. I initially tried to split this between my regular CPA and an estate attorney, but having someone who understood both sides saved time and reduced the overall cost. Also, many estate tax specialists will give you a flat fee quote upfront if you can provide them with all the relevant documents (original sale agreement, recent tax returns, estate inventory, etc.). This helps avoid surprise bills and lets you budget properly.
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Yuki Ito
This thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm dealing with a similar situation where my father passed away and left us an installment note from farmland he sold in 2020. Reading through everyone's experiences has clarified so many issues I was confused about. The point about checking the original Form 6252 filing is crucial - I just discovered that my dad's accountant may not have filed it properly in 2020, which could complicate how we report the continuing payments. And the interstate tax complications are real - our farm was in Iowa but dad lived in Florida at the time of death, so now I'm looking at potential filings in multiple states. One question I haven't seen addressed: if there are multiple beneficiaries receiving different percentage shares of the installment payments, do we each need to file our own Form 6252, or can this be handled with a single form that shows the allocations? The payments are being split 40% to me, 35% to my sister, and 25% to my brother based on the will. Also, for those who used tax software vs. professionals - given the complexity everyone's describing, it sounds like professional help is almost mandatory for these situations. The potential cost of getting it wrong seems to far outweigh the expense of proper guidance. Thank you to everyone who shared their experiences and resources!
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Katherine Hunter
ā¢Great question about the multiple beneficiaries and Form 6252! Each beneficiary typically needs to file their own Form 6252 showing their proportional share of the installment payments. So you'd file one showing your 40% share, your sister would file one for her 35%, and your brother for his 25%. The total across all three forms should equal 100% of the payments received. However, you'll all be using the same basic information from the original sale (gross profit percentage, contract price, etc.) - just applying it to your respective shares. Make sure you coordinate with your siblings so everyone is using consistent numbers from the original 2020 sale agreement. Regarding the potentially improper Form 6252 filing in 2020, this is definitely something to address with a professional. If the installment election wasn't made properly, there might be ways to make a late election or amend the original return, but the rules are very specific and missing deadlines could be costly. You're absolutely right about professional help being almost mandatory for these situations. Between the multi-state issues, potential problems with the original filing, and coordination needed among multiple beneficiaries, the complexity really does justify the cost. Plus, if one person makes a mistake, it could potentially affect all the beneficiaries' tax situations.
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