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Jacob Lee

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I'm an admin for a plumbing company and we handle this exact situation with our on-call techs. We use what's called the "commuting rule" where we only add $1.75 per one-way commute to their taxable income instead of the full lease value of the van. We also have a written policy that prohibits using the van for personal purposes (other than minimal personal stops on the way home). As long as your employer has that policy in writing and enforces it, they shouldn't be taxing you on the full value of the vehicle - just the minimal commuting value. Maybe share this with your HR or payroll department?

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How does the company track or monitor personal use? Like if someone stops at the grocery store on the way home, how would the employer even know?

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Based on what you've described, your employer may be incorrectly calculating your taxable benefit. Since you're required to take the van home specifically for on-call emergency response (not as a perk), and your van has permanent business modifications like built-in shelving and company logos, you likely qualify for either the "qualified nonpersonal use vehicle" exemption or at minimum the reduced "commuting rule" taxation. Under the commuting rule, you should only be taxed $1.75 each way ($3.50/day) rather than the full fair market value of the vehicle. For the qualified nonpersonal use vehicle exemption, vehicles with permanent business equipment that make personal use unlikely can be completely exempt from fringe benefit taxation. I'd recommend documenting that: 1) taking the van home is mandatory company policy for on-call techs, 2) the van has permanent business modifications, and 3) personal use is prohibited by company policy. Present this to your payroll department with references to IRS Publication 15-B sections on these specific exemptions. Your situation sounds like a textbook case for reduced or eliminated vehicle benefit taxation.

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This is really helpful information! I'm in a similar situation as a field service tech and had no idea there were specific exemptions like this. Do you happen to know if there's a specific form or documentation template that employers should use when applying these exemptions? My company's HR department seems pretty clueless about these rules and I'd like to give them something concrete to work with rather than just explaining it verbally.

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Demi Lagos

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This is a great strategy! I'm in a similar situation with W2 income and side business income. One thing to keep in mind is that your Solo 401k contribution limit will be based on your net self-employment income (after expenses and self-employment tax), not the gross $27k. The calculation gets a bit tricky - you'll need to factor in half of your self-employment tax as a deduction. So if your net profit is $27k, your actual contribution limit will be somewhat less. The employee contribution portion is limited to 100% of compensation, and the employer portion is around 20% of net self-employment income after adjustments. Also, make sure to set up the Solo 401k before the end of the tax year if you want to make contributions for that year. The account needs to be established by December 31st, though you have until the tax filing deadline (plus extensions) to actually make the contributions. Rolling over your old 401ks into the Solo 401k is definitely a smart move for keeping your Backdoor Roth strategy clean. Just make sure whatever provider you choose has good investment options and reasonable fees since you'll potentially be consolidating a lot of money there.

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This is really helpful info about the net income calculations! I'm new to having self-employment income and wasn't sure how the self-employment tax adjustment worked. Do you happen to know if there are any good calculators or tools that can help figure out the exact contribution limits? I want to make sure I'm maximizing my contributions without going over the limits. Also, regarding the December 31st deadline - does that mean I need to have the account fully funded by then, or just opened? I'm planning to do this for the 2025 tax year and want to make sure I don't miss any important deadlines.

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Eva St. Cyr

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@Sydney Torres You just need to have the Solo 401k account established opened (by) December 31st, not fully funded. You can make contributions up until your tax filing deadline, including extensions - so typically until April 15th of the following year, or October 15th if you file an extension. For calculating exact contribution limits, the taxr.ai tool that @Jamal Carter mentioned earlier is actually really good for this. It handles all the self-employment tax adjustments and shows you exactly how much you can contribute as both employee and employer. The IRS also has worksheets in Publication 560, but honestly the online calculators are much easier to use and less error-prone. One tip: if you re'planning to do this for 2025, start the account setup process early in the year so you have more time to make strategic contributions throughout the year rather than scrambling at the end.

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Hugo Kass

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This is exactly the kind of strategic retirement planning that can really pay off in the long run! Your approach of using the Solo 401k to keep your Traditional IRA balance at zero for clean Backdoor Roth conversions is spot on. One additional consideration I'd mention is loan provisions. Unlike Traditional IRAs, Solo 401ks allow you to take loans against your balance (up to 50% or $50,000, whichever is less). This can provide additional flexibility if you ever need access to funds before retirement age, though obviously it should be used carefully. Also, since you're consolidating multiple old 401ks, this might be a good time to review and optimize your overall asset allocation. Having everything in one place makes it much easier to rebalance and avoid overlap in your investment strategy. The fact that your current employer doesn't offer a 401k actually simplifies things significantly - you won't have to worry about coordinating contribution limits across multiple plans or dealing with the complexity of multiple plan administrators.

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This is super helpful context about the loan provisions! I had no idea Solo 401ks allowed loans - that's actually a huge advantage over IRAs. Quick question though: if I take a loan from my Solo 401k, does that affect my ability to continue making contributions? And are there any tax implications I should be aware of beyond the obvious need to pay it back? Also, regarding the asset allocation point you made - do most Solo 401k providers offer the same range of investment options as regular 401ks, or are there typically more restrictions? I'm currently spread across like 4 different old 401ks with different fund families and it's a nightmare to manage.

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Ravi Sharma

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I went through a CP81 notice situation about 8 months ago and want to share what I learned that might help others here. The most important thing is that this notice doesn't mean you're in trouble - it's literally just the IRS saying "we can't find your return in our system, can you help us locate it?" What I found really helpful was creating a timeline of my filing process. I wrote down the date I completed my return in TurboTax, the date it was transmitted, and the acceptance date from my confirmation email. This helped me organize my thoughts and gave me confidence that I had actually filed properly. One thing that surprised me was that my state return had been processed fine, but somehow my federal return got lost in the system. So even if your state refund came through or your state taxes were processed normally, you could still get a CP81 for federal taxes. My advice: gather your TurboTax acceptance confirmation, write a brief letter explaining when you filed, and respond promptly. I sent mine via certified mail and got resolution in about 3 weeks. The key is having that electronic filing acceptance proof - it's basically undeniable evidence that you filed on time. Don't let the official government language intimidate you. This is really just a clerical issue that gets resolved once you provide proof of filing. You've got this!

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@Ravi Sharma This is such a helpful perspective! The timeline approach is brilliant - I wish I had thought of that when I was dealing with my CP81 notice. It really does help to see the whole filing process laid out chronologically, especially when you re'second-guessing whether you actually filed correctly. Your point about state vs federal processing is really interesting too. I had no idea they could be processed separately like that. It makes sense though - different systems, different potential points of failure. Good to know that getting your state refund doesn t'necessarily mean your federal return made it through successfully. The reassurance about this being just a clerical issue rather than being in "trouble is" so important. When you first get that official IRS letter, your mind immediately goes to worst-case scenarios. But you re'absolutely right - they re'literally just asking hey, "did you file? If so, can you show us proof? It" s'much more straightforward than the intimidating government language makes it seem. Thanks for sharing your experience and the encouraging words. Stories like yours really help calm the nerves when dealing with these situations!

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KylieRose

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I just want to add another perspective as someone who recently dealt with a CP81 notice - don't overlook checking your IRS online account first before doing anything else. I was all ready to mail in my TurboTax confirmation when I decided to log into my IRS account online just to see what it showed. Turns out, my return WAS in their system and had been processed, but there was some kind of internal flag that triggered the CP81 notice anyway. When I called the number on my notice (got through after about 45 minutes on hold), the agent was able to see my return immediately and cleared the notice right over the phone. She said this happens sometimes with their automated notice system - it sends out CP81s even when the return is actually there. So before you go through the whole process of mailing documentation, definitely check your IRS online account at irs.gov. Look under "View Account Information" and see if your 2023 return shows up there. If it does, you might be able to resolve this with just a phone call rather than waiting weeks for mail correspondence. Not saying this will be the case for everyone, but it's worth checking since it could save you a lot of time and stress. The online account will show you exactly what the IRS has on file for you, which gives you a better sense of whether your return truly wasn't received or if it's just a system glitch.

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Just wondering what software your preparer used? I'm asking because some tax software won't even let you e-file as a paid preparer without entering a valid PTIN. So either they're paper filing (which is unusual these days), using consumer software and pretending they're not a paid preparer, or somehow bypassing verification systems.

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Good catch. This is a huge red flag to me. If they're bypassing systems or misrepresenting themselves to the software, what else are they being dishonest about?

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This is actually a really important question that @Freya Andersen raised. When I had my returns done, they were definitely e-filed - I got the electronic confirmation and everything. But now that you mention it, I never really paid attention to what software they were using or how the process worked on their end. If the software requires a valid PTIN to e-file as a paid preparer, then either they somehow got around that requirement or they're filing under someone else's PTIN. Both scenarios are pretty concerning and suggest this might be more serious than just forgetting to renew their registration. I'm definitely going to ask them directly about this when I confront them about the PTIN issue. The fact that they've been able to e-file for years without a valid PTIN suggests there might be some deliberate deception going on rather than just an oversight.

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This is a really good point about the e-filing system requirements. I'm new to understanding all this, but it seems like if they've been successfully e-filing your returns for years without a valid PTIN, that suggests they might be using someone else's credentials or found some way around the system. That would make this way more serious than just an administrative oversight. Have you checked your actual tax returns to see whose PTIN appears on them? That might give you a clue about what's really going on here. If there's no PTIN listed at all or if there's someone else's PTIN, that could help you understand how they've been managing to file electronically.

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Chloe Harris

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One more question - if I wasn't a dependent in 2023 but my dad claimed me anyway, can I file an amended return for myself? I just realized he did this last year and I probably left money on the table.

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Chloe Harris

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Thanks! I'll do that right away. Any idea how much of a difference this might make? I made about $42k last year.

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AstroAlpha

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The difference could be significant! At $42k income, you likely qualified for the full standard deduction ($13,850 for single filers in 2023) that you missed out on if your dad claimed you as a dependent. You also may have been eligible for the Earned Income Tax Credit depending on your exact situation. The refund difference could easily be $1,500-$3,000 or more. Definitely worth filing that amended return - you have until April 15, 2027 to amend your 2023 return.

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This is such a frustrating situation but you're absolutely in the right here! I went through something very similar with my parents when I was 26. The key thing to remember is that dependency status is determined by IRS rules, not house rules or family dynamics. Based on what you've described - being 28, having two jobs, and paying for all your own expenses except housing - you almost certainly don't qualify as a dependent. Even if we factor in the fair rental value of your housing (which should be calculated based on your portion of the home, not the entire house value), you're likely providing more than half of your own support. I'd suggest documenting all your expenses for the year - every grocery bill, gas receipt, phone payment, etc. This will help you calculate exactly what percentage of your total support you're providing yourself. With two steady jobs, I suspect you'll find you're well over the 50% threshold needed to be considered self-supporting. Don't let family pressure override tax law. File as independent and claim your full refund - you've earned it!

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Grant Vikers

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This is really helpful advice! I'm actually in a similar situation right now - 25 years old, working full time, but still living at home. My mom keeps insisting she can claim me because I don't pay rent, but I pay for literally everything else including my car, insurance, food, medical bills, etc. The documentation tip is great - I never thought to actually add up all my receipts to prove I'm supporting myself. Do you know if there's a specific form or worksheet the IRS uses to calculate the support test? I want to make sure I'm doing this calculation correctly before I have that conversation with my parents.

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