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This has been such a helpful discussion! As someone dealing with a similar situation (thinking about adding my adult son to my investment accounts), I really appreciate all the different perspectives and options that have been shared here. The gift tax implications were my main concern initially, but reading through all these comments has opened my eyes to so many other considerations I hadn't thought about - like the creditor protection issues, the loss of control with joint ownership, and the potential impact on cost basis for capital gains. The TOD option seems like it might be the sweet spot for my situation - avoiding probate while keeping full control and not triggering immediate gift tax reporting. But the trust route also sounds intriguing, especially for the added protection it might provide. I think the key takeaway for me is that this decision is way more complex than I initially realized, and it's definitely worth investing in proper professional advice rather than trying to figure it out on my own. The potential tax and legal ramifications are just too significant to get wrong. Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences and insights - this thread has probably saved me from making some costly mistakes!
I'm glad this discussion has been helpful for you too! As someone new to this community, I've been really impressed by the depth of knowledge and willingness to share experiences here. One thing that really stands out to me from reading through all these responses is how many different "gotchas" there are with what seems like a straightforward decision. The joint ownership route initially sounds simple, but then you realize you're dealing with gift taxes, potential creditor issues, loss of control, basis step-up complications, and so much more. I'm in a somewhat similar boat - have been thinking about estate planning for my kids but honestly had no idea about most of these considerations. The comparison between TOD and trust options has been particularly eye-opening. It sounds like for smaller accounts, TOD might be the way to go for simplicity, but for larger amounts like yours, the trust route could be worth the extra complexity and cost. Really appreciate everyone taking the time to share their real-world experiences rather than just theoretical advice. Makes such a difference when you can learn from people who have actually been through these decisions!
This thread has been incredibly educational! I'm in a very similar situation - have about $160K in various index funds and ETFs that I've been considering how to eventually pass to my two kids (ages 24 and 29). Reading through all these responses, I'm now leaning heavily toward the TOD route rather than joint ownership. The gift tax reporting requirement alone seems like a headache I'd rather avoid, not to mention all the other complications people have mentioned about creditor exposure and loss of control. One question I haven't seen addressed - for those who went with TOD designations, did your brokerage firm charge any fees for setting it up? And is there any ongoing maintenance or paperwork required, or is it basically "set it and forget it" once you've designated your beneficiaries? Also curious if anyone has experience with how TOD works across multiple brokerage accounts - I have investments spread across Vanguard, Fidelity, and Schwab. Can you set up consistent TOD designations across all of them, or does each firm handle it differently? Thanks again to everyone for sharing their knowledge and experiences - this is exactly the kind of practical advice that's impossible to find anywhere else!
This is exactly the kind of predatory practice that makes dealing with taxes even more stressful than it already is! It's outrageous that TurboTax can essentially hold your own tax data hostage behind a paywall. I've been in a similar situation before and here's what worked for me: First, definitely try the IRS transcript route that others have mentioned - it's free and has all the information you need. But if you want something that looks more like your original return format, I've had good luck with some of the third-party tools mentioned here. The key thing for future years is to ALWAYS save a PDF copy of your complete return before you finish filing. Most tax software will let you export to PDF, and some even automatically email you a copy. I now save mine in three places: local computer, cloud storage, and email myself a copy. Never again will I be at the mercy of proprietary file formats! It's honestly shameful that tax software companies can get away with this kind of lock-in strategy, especially when they're dealing with people's essential financial records.
Absolutely agree about the predatory nature of this practice! It's especially frustrating when you consider that many people use the Free File program specifically because they can't afford to pay for tax software, and then they get locked out of their own data later. I'm definitely going to start following your three-location backup strategy - that's really smart. Cloud storage especially makes sense since you can access it from anywhere when you need to reference old returns. Have you ever had any issues with the IRS transcript format being hard to read compared to the original return layout? I'm wondering if it's worth the extra effort to also save the original formatted version as PDF just for easier reference later.
This whole situation is a perfect example of why I've switched to using open-source tax software whenever possible. Tools like FreeTaxUSA or even the IRS's own Free File Fillable Forms don't lock you into proprietary file formats that become inaccessible later. For your immediate problem, I'd definitely echo what others have said about the IRS transcript route - it's your most reliable option for getting the 2020 data you need. The format takes a little getting used to, but it has all the essential information including itemized deductions. One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is that some public libraries offer free access to tax preparation software, including TurboTax desktop versions. You might be able to open your TAX2020 file there if you really need to see it in the original format. Call your local library's reference desk to ask if they have tax software available during tax season. Going forward, I'd strongly recommend switching away from TurboTax entirely. Their business model is increasingly focused on creating these kinds of lock-in situations and upselling users. There are plenty of alternatives that won't hold your own tax data hostage!
That's a great point about public libraries having tax software access! I never would have thought of that option. Our local library actually has computer stations with various software programs available during tax season - I'll definitely call to see if they have TurboTax desktop. The open-source recommendation is really valuable too. I'm getting so tired of these proprietary format issues that I think I'll switch to FreeTaxUSA or similar for next year. It's frustrating that we have to even think about these kinds of vendor lock-in problems when dealing with something as essential as tax records. Do you know if the IRS Free File Fillable Forms save in a more standard format that you can actually access later without special software? That might be worth considering for people who want to avoid this whole mess in the future.
I've been following this thread closely as someone who works in consumer protection, and I want to emphasize a crucial point that could strengthen your cancellation case: the radio advertisement itself. Since you mentioned hearing their ad on your morning radio show, try to document exactly what promises they made in that advertisement. Many tax resolution companies make broad claims about "satisfaction guaranteed" or "we'll resolve your tax problems" in their ads that they can't actually deliver on for the price they quote. If possible, contact the radio station to see if they have recordings of recent TaxSolve Pro ads. Radio stations are often required to keep advertising archives for a certain period. If their ads promised specific outcomes or used language like "affordable solutions" while charging you $3,200, that's additional evidence of deceptive practices. Also, consider filing a complaint with the FTC (Federal Trade Commission) regardless of whether you successfully cancel. They track patterns of deceptive practices by tax resolution companies, and your complaint could help protect other consumers from similar situations. The combination of vague pricing despite direct questions + potentially misleading radio advertisements gives you very strong grounds for cancellation. Document everything from the radio ad, your phone conversations, and their contract terms. This paper trail will be invaluable if they push back on your cancellation request. You're absolutely doing the right thing by fighting this - these companies count on people being too intimidated or embarrassed to challenge their contracts.
This is excellent advice about documenting the radio advertisement! I never thought about contacting the station to get recordings of their ads, but that makes total sense. Now that you mention it, they definitely used language like "affordable tax relief" and "we work with your budget" in the radio spot that caught my attention. The contrast between their advertising promises and the actual $3,200 price tag they tried to lock me into is pretty stark. I'm going to call the radio station tomorrow to see if they can provide copies of recent TaxSolve Pro advertisements. I also really appreciate the point about filing an FTC complaint even if I successfully cancel. It hadn't occurred to me that my experience could help protect other people from falling into the same trap. These companies clearly have a system designed to prey on people who are already stressed about tax problems. The idea of building a comprehensive paper trail with the radio ads, my documented questions about pricing, and their vague responses really strengthens my position. I feel much more confident now about pushing back firmly when they inevitably try to convince me not to cancel. Thank you for taking the time to share this consumer protection perspective - it's exactly the kind of strategic thinking I needed to approach this situation effectively!
I'm so sorry you're dealing with this stress from TaxSolve Pro! What you've described is unfortunately a very common tactic used by predatory tax resolution companies - they deliberately avoid giving clear pricing information during consultations, then spring expensive contracts on people who are already worried about their tax situation. The good news is that you have strong legal grounds for cancellation. The fact that you repeatedly asked about costs and they gave you vague responses is a clear violation of consumer protection laws. Tax resolution companies are required by law to provide transparent pricing information before you sign any agreement. Here's what you need to do immediately: 1. Send a written cancellation notice RIGHT NOW via both certified mail and email - don't wait another hour 2. In your cancellation letter, specifically state that you're cancelling due to their failure to provide clear pricing disclosure despite your repeated direct questions 3. Mention that this violates consumer protection regulations and request a full refund 4. Contact your credit card company to block any future charges from TaxSolve Pro Don't be intimidated when they call back with pressure tactics - just keep repeating that you've exercised your legal right to cancel due to their deceptive practices. A single consultation call is worth maybe a couple hundred dollars at most, not $3,200. Remember, the IRS offers direct payment plans that don't require expensive middleman fees. You've got strong grounds here - stay firm and document everything!
Ryan, I'm dealing with a very similar situation right now! I formed my marketing consulting LLC in December 2022 and spent about $8,000 on a laptop, software licenses, and office furniture, but didn't land my first client until March 2023. What I learned from my CPA is that since your business didn't have any activity in 2022, you're absolutely right that 2023 is considered your first year of operations. The good news is you can still claim those 2022 expenses, but you need to be strategic about how you do it. For equipment like your trailer, you'll want to look into bonus depreciation rules - you might be able to deduct 80% of the cost in 2023 (it was 100% in previous years but is phasing down). The remaining 20% would be depreciated over the normal schedule. One thing that caught me off guard was that I also needed to file a late 2022 return showing the LLC formation even with zero income. It wasn't required, but my CPA said it creates a cleaner paper trail for the IRS and makes it easier to justify carrying those expenses forward. Just something to consider! Make sure you have all your receipts organized by date and keep notes about when you actually started using each piece of equipment for business purposes. The IRS loves documentation!
This is super helpful Jamal! I'm curious about the bonus depreciation you mentioned - is that something that applies automatically or do you have to specifically elect it when filing? Also, when you filed that late 2022 return showing zero income, did you end up owing any penalties or fees for filing late, or is it pretty much penalty-free when there's no tax liability? I'm trying to decide if it's worth the hassle or if I should just focus on getting 2023 filed correctly.
Ryan, I just went through almost the exact same situation with my LLC! I started mine in October 2022 and bought about $15,000 in equipment but didn't make a penny until early 2023. Here's what I learned after consulting with a tax pro: You can definitely claim those 2022 expenses on your 2023 return since that's when your business actually became active. The IRS considers "active operations" to begin when you start generating income or actively pursuing customers, not when you file paperwork. For your $12,500 in equipment, you'll have a few options: 1. Use Section 179 to deduct the full amount in 2023 (up to $1.16M limit) 2. Take advantage of 80% bonus depreciation for 2023 3. Depreciate normally over several years using MACRS I ended up going with bonus depreciation which let me deduct 80% immediately and spread the remaining 20% over the normal schedule. Saved me a ton in taxes for 2023. One tip: definitely keep detailed records showing when you purchased everything and when you actually started using it for business. I created a simple spreadsheet with purchase dates, business use start dates, and photos of receipts. The documentation really matters if you ever get audited. Also consider whether you want to file an amended 2022 return showing zero income just to establish the business existence - my accountant said it's not required but can help create a cleaner paper trail. No penalties since there's no tax owed.
This is really comprehensive advice, Melina! I'm just starting to navigate this myself and had no idea about the bonus depreciation option. Quick question - when you say you created a spreadsheet with business use start dates, how did you determine that exact date? Was it when you first started actively marketing your services, or when you actually got your first paying customer? I'm trying to figure out the right date to use since I started networking and building my website in late 2022 but didn't get paid work until March 2023.
Alexander Evans
I can confirm this from personal experience! My wife and I filed MFJ for the first time last year, and I was worried about the same thing. As the secondary taxpayer, I couldn't see our transcripts for about 12 days after my husband could access them in his account. I actually called the IRS (after waiting on hold for over an hour!) and the agent explained that this delay is completely normal and built into their system. What really helped ease my anxiety was understanding that it's not a problem or error - it's just how the IRS processes joint returns. The primary taxpayer's access gets updated first, then secondary taxpayers get access in a later processing cycle. When the transcripts finally appeared in my account, they were exactly the same as what my husband could see - same codes, same information, everything. My advice: don't panic if you don't see them right away as the secondary filer. Give it about 2 weeks after your spouse can see them, and they should appear. The waiting is the hardest part, but it all works out in the end!
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Anderson Prospero
ā¢Thank you so much for sharing your experience! It's really helpful to hear from someone who went through the exact same situation and even took the time to call the IRS to confirm. The 12-day delay you mentioned is right in line with what others have reported, which gives me confidence that this is truly just standard processing. I'm currently in that waiting period myself (my husband can see our transcripts but I can't yet), and your advice about not panicking is exactly what I needed to hear. It's reassuring to know that even when you called directly, the IRS agent confirmed this is completely normal. Really appreciate you taking the time to share such detailed feedback about your experience!
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Chloe Taylor
I'm going through this exact situation right now! My husband and I filed MFJ in early March 2024, and he's been able to see our transcripts for about a week now while my IRS account still shows nothing. Reading through all these responses has been incredibly reassuring - I had no idea this delay for secondary taxpayers was so common and built into their system architecture. What's really helpful is learning about the Master File system processing cycles that several people mentioned. It makes so much more sense now why there's a consistent delay rather than random issues. I'm going to stop checking my account obsessively and just wait another week or so based on the timelines everyone has shared. One question for those who've been through this: when the transcripts finally appeared in your account as the secondary taxpayer, did you get any kind of notification from the IRS, or did they just show up when you logged in to check? Just wondering if I should expect any heads up or if I need to keep checking periodically. Thanks everyone for sharing your experiences - this thread has saved me from a lot of unnecessary stress!
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Andrew Pinnock
ā¢Hey Chloe! I just went through this same situation about 6 months ago, so I totally understand the obsessive checking! š To answer your question - there's no notification from the IRS when the transcripts finally appear in your account as the secondary taxpayer. They just show up when you log in to check. I probably checked every other day for about 2 weeks until they appeared. The good news is that once they're there, you'll have access to everything your husband can see. Hang in there - based on your timeline and everyone else's experiences here, you should see them in your account within the next week or so!
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