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can someone explain this LLC thing? i thought if you have an LLC you don't pay taxes? my cousin said he has an "s-corp" and doesn't pay self employment tax.
There's a lot of confusion about this. An LLC is just a legal structure, not a tax classification. By default, a single-member LLC is treated as a "disregarded entity" for tax purposes, meaning you still report business income on your personal tax return and pay self-employment tax. Your cousin with an S-corp is doing something different. An S-corporation allows you to be both an owner AND an employee. You pay yourself a reasonable salary (which has payroll taxes) and can take additional money as distributions (which avoid self-employment tax). But S-corps require more formalities like payroll processing, separate tax returns, etc. Usually not worth it until you're making at least $40-50k in profit.
I run a small Etsy shop selling handmade jewelry and went through this exact confusion last year! The $400 net profit threshold is definitely correct - I learned this the hard way when I thought I was under the filing requirement but wasn't. One thing that really helped me was tracking all my expenses throughout the year, not just at tax time. Things like materials, packaging supplies, Etsy fees, even mileage to craft stores all count as business deductions. I use a simple spreadsheet to track everything monthly. Also, since you mentioned you're set up as a sole proprietor LLC - that's actually redundant. An LLC with one owner is automatically treated as a sole proprietorship for tax purposes unless you elect otherwise. You'll still file Schedule C with your personal return just like any other sole proprietor. Keep those receipts organized now rather than scrambling later! Even at $3,700 in revenue, you'll likely have enough deductible expenses to significantly reduce what you actually owe in taxes.
The graduate education deduction has been a constantly changing area of tax law. I think people should know that the AOTC (American Opportunity Tax Credit) and LLC (Lifetime Learning Credit) are usually better options than the work-related education deduction for most people anyway. The LLC can be worth up to $2,000 per tax return and has fewer restrictions!
But don't those credits have income limits? I make around $90k and thought I wouldn't qualify for education credits. Is the work-related deduction the only option for higher income folks?
You're right about the income limits! The Lifetime Learning Credit phases out completely for single filers with modified adjusted gross income over $69,000 (for 2024), so at $90k you wouldn't qualify. The American Opportunity Tax Credit has even lower limits and is only for undergraduate programs anyway. For higher-income earners like yourself, the work-related education deduction under Section 162 is often the only viable option, which is exactly why @Dylan Baskin s'original question is so important to get right. Unlike the credits, there s'no income cap on business expense deductions, but as we ve'discussed, the qualification requirements are much more complex. @Savannah Vin makes a good point about exploring all options though - it s worth'double-checking the current income limits since they do adjust periodically!
One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is the importance of timing your expenses correctly. Even if your graduate program qualifies for the work-related education deduction, you can only deduct expenses in the year you actually pay them, not when you incur the debt. For a 10-month program, this could mean splitting deductions across multiple tax years. Also, if you're taking out student loans, you can't deduct the tuition until you actually make loan payments - not when the school receives the loan disbursement. Another consideration: if your employer offers any tuition reimbursement (even partial), you'll need to reduce your deductible expenses by that amount. But the good news is that employer tuition assistance up to $5,250 per year is tax-free to you under Section 127. Given the complexity of your situation with the work gap and potential career implications, I'd strongly recommend getting professional tax advice before claiming this deduction. The IRS scrutinizes education deductions pretty heavily, and having proper documentation and justification upfront could save you a lot of headaches later.
This is really helpful advice about timing! I hadn't even thought about how the loan payments vs. tuition payment timing would affect when I can claim the deduction. Since I'm planning to finance most of the program through student loans, does this mean I basically can't deduct anything until I start making loan payments after graduation? That would push most of my deductions out several years, which significantly reduces their value. Also, regarding the employer tuition assistance - what if my employer has a policy that they'll reimburse education expenses but only if you stay with the company for 2 years after completion? Since I mentioned I might not return to my current employer, would I need to account for potential reimbursement I probably won't receive?
I went through this exact same situation last year when applying for an SBA loan! One thing that really helped me was creating a comprehensive packet for the lender that included not just the 940/941 forms, but also the payment confirmations and bank statements showing the actual tax deposits. If you're still having trouble accessing the forms in QuickBooks Pro, check if you have QuickBooks Enhanced Payroll or Basic Payroll enabled. Without the payroll service active, QuickBooks won't store the actual tax forms - it just tracks the data. In that case, you'll need to either contact whoever prepared your taxes during those years or go directly to the IRS as others mentioned. Also, pro tip: most lenders will accept IRS transcripts instead of the actual forms, and transcripts are often easier to obtain. Good luck with your expansion loan - having that documentation ready shows you're serious about your business growth!
This is such valuable advice, especially about checking if the payroll service was actually active! I had a similar issue where I thought my forms were "lost" but it turned out I had switched from Enhanced Payroll to doing payroll manually partway through 2021, so only some quarters were stored in QuickBooks. The comprehensive packet approach is brilliant too - I wish I had thought of that. My lender kept asking for additional documentation piece by piece, which dragged out my approval process. Having everything organized upfront (forms, payment confirmations, bank statements) would have saved weeks. Quick question though - when you say IRS transcripts are easier to obtain, do you mean through the online transcript service or by calling? I've heard mixed things about whether the online system has employment tax transcripts available.
Great question about IRS transcripts! The online Get Transcript system (irs.gov/individuals/get-transcript) does have employment tax transcripts available, but they're listed under "Business Transcripts" rather than individual transcripts. You'll need your EIN and the primary authorized person's SSN to access them. The online system typically shows transcripts for the current year plus the past 3-4 years, so for 2021-2022 forms you should be covered. What's nice is you can download them immediately as PDFs rather than waiting for mail delivery. However, if you need transcripts going back further or run into technical issues with the website, calling is still your backup option. One heads up though - make sure you're logged in as the primary authorized person on your business account with the IRS, otherwise you won't see the business transcript options even with the correct EIN and SSN.
I just went through this same process a few months ago for my equipment financing application! One thing that saved me time was calling my CPA first to see if they had copies on file. Most accounting professionals keep client tax documents for several years, and they often have both the filed forms and any correspondence with the IRS. If your CPA doesn't have them or if you prepared the forms yourself, I'd recommend trying the IRS transcript route that others mentioned. The online system at irs.gov worked great for me - I was able to download my 940/941 transcripts immediately, and my lender accepted them without any issues. Also, don't stress too much about the Friday deadline. Most lenders understand that gathering historical tax documents takes time, especially when dealing with the IRS. If you explain the situation and show that you're actively working to obtain the documents, they'll usually give you a reasonable extension. The key is communicating proactively rather than waiting until the last minute. Best of luck with your warehouse expansion - it sounds like your business is really thriving!
This is really helpful advice! I hadn't thought about contacting my CPA first - that could definitely save time compared to dealing with the IRS directly. Quick question though: if my CPA prepared the forms but I made the actual tax deposits myself through EFTPS, would they still have copies of the actual 940/941 forms on file? Also, thanks for the reassurance about the deadline. I've been really stressed about this whole process since the loan approval would help us finally get the warehouse space we need to keep up with demand. It's good to know lenders are generally understanding about document gathering timelines.
I work at a tax prep office and can share some insider info - H&R Block releases new promotional codes throughout tax season, but they're usually tied to specific marketing campaigns or partnerships. The codes that work best are usually: 1) Military/veteran discounts (these rarely expire), 2) Student discounts through .edu email verification, 3) Partner codes from banks, credit unions, or employers, and 4) Social media flash codes they post on their official accounts. One thing most people don't know is that if you're filing multiple state returns, you can often get a bundle discount by calling their sales line directly. They have quotas to meet and will sometimes negotiate, especially later in tax season. Also, if you're already deep into your return like you are, try reaching out to their chat support and explaining you're a returning customer who's comparing prices with competitors. They often have "retention codes" they can apply to keep you from switching to another service.
This is really helpful insider information! I'm curious about the retention codes - do you know if there's a specific way to phrase the request to chat support that works better? Like should I mention specific competitor names or just say I'm "shopping around"? Also, do those partner codes from banks usually require you to log in through the bank's website first, or can you just use the code directly on H&R Block's site? I have accounts with a few credit unions but never thought to check if they had tax prep partnerships.
For retention codes, I've found it works best to be specific but not aggressive. Something like "I've been using H&R Block for 3 years but I'm seeing TurboTax advertised at $X less for the same filing level. Is there any discount you can offer to match that price?" Usually gets better results than just saying you're shopping around. For bank/credit union partnerships, it depends. Some require you to start from their website (like chase.com/taxes or whatever), while others just give you a standalone code you can use directly. Check your credit union's website under "member benefits" or "partner discounts" - that's usually where they list tax prep deals. One more tip from our office: if you're filing late in the season (after March), they often have "tax deadline rush" promotions that can be better than the early season codes. H&R Block would rather get your business at a discount than lose you to a competitor entirely.
This is such great advice! I had no idea about the late season promotions. I'm actually filing pretty close to the deadline this year because I was waiting on some 1099s that came in late. Sounds like that might work in my favor for once! Quick question about the retention approach - when you mention a competitor price, do they actually verify that or just take your word for it? I want to be honest but also don't want to spend time researching exact competitor pricing if they're just going to offer a standard retention discount anyway. Also wondering if anyone has tried this approach with their online chat vs phone support? I usually prefer chat but not sure if the phone reps have more flexibility with discounts.
Melina Haruko
I just wanted to add my perspective as someone who recently went through this exact situation! My grandparents gave me $19k last year to help with student loans, and I was terrified I'd mess up my taxes. After reading through this amazing thread and reflecting on my own experience, I can absolutely confirm what everyone else has said - you do NOT need to report gift money as income on your tax return, no matter the amount. What really helped me understand it was thinking about it the way someone explained here: your aunt and uncle already paid taxes on that money when they earned it, so the IRS isn't going to tax the same dollars twice just because they're being generous and sharing it with you. I kept a simple email from my grandparents stating it was a gift for educational expenses, and when I deposited the money, the bank process was completely smooth. The teller didn't even ask any questions, but I felt so much more confident having that documentation ready. The relief I felt watching my student loan balance drop by almost $20k was incredible! Don't let tax anxiety prevent you from accepting this wonderful gift from your aunt and uncle. You're completely in the clear, and this is going to make such a meaningful difference in your financial future. Focus on enjoying the peace of mind that comes with reduced debt - you've earned it!
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Ahooker-Equator
β’This is such a helpful addition to an already incredible discussion! As someone new to this community and completely unfamiliar with gift tax rules, reading about your $19k experience with your grandparents is so reassuring. The fact that you went through almost the exact same scenario and amount makes me feel so much more confident about my own situation. I really appreciate how you emphasized the "already-taxed money" concept again - that explanation has come up several times in this thread and it's honestly the clearest way to understand why gifts aren't taxable income to recipients. It just makes logical sense that the IRS wouldn't tax the same money twice. Your point about keeping simple documentation is great too. It seems like most people who've shared their experiences here took that approach, and while the banks didn't always ask for it, having it ready made everyone feel more prepared and professional about the process. Reading about your relief when that student loan balance dropped is giving me so much hope! I've been carrying this debt for what feels like forever, and the thought of making such a significant dent in it with my aunt and uncle's help is almost surreal. Thank you for encouraging me to focus on enjoying this generous gift rather than worrying about tax complications - this community has really shown me that this situation is much more straightforward than I initially thought!
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Malik Thomas
This thread has been absolutely incredible to read through! As someone who's been in a similar situation with family gifts, I can confirm what everyone else has shared - you definitely do NOT need to report that $20k gift on your tax return. Gifts to recipients are never considered taxable income, regardless of the amount. I love seeing how this community comes together to help each other navigate these confusing tax situations. The consistent message from tax preparers, banking professionals, and people with real experience is so reassuring: your aunt and uncle already paid taxes on that money when they earned it, so the IRS won't tax it again when it's gifted to you. The practical advice about keeping simple documentation and being prepared for the bank deposit is really valuable too. Even though it's not required, having a brief letter or email from your aunt and uncle stating it's a gift for student loans will give you peace of mind and show you're being organized about the process. Your family sounds amazing for stepping up to help with your student loans! That $20k is going to make such a meaningful difference in your financial future. Accept their generous gift with complete confidence - you're totally in the clear tax-wise and can focus on enjoying the incredible relief that comes with reduced debt. This kind of family support can truly be life-changing!
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